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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 3:40 pm
by DavidC
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 9:27 pm
by Tom
0:03 !
I hope somebody who knows what they're doing is filming this too.
At 0:30 you can see the bottom of that steel from the inside.
Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:06 pm
by SDR
Huh ?
SDR
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:25 am
by Tom
In latest video: Reconstructing the Frank Lloyd Wright House posted by DavidC.
At 0:03 they show steel. At 0:30 from the inside you can see that same piece of steel from underneath wrapped in floor framing.
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:16 am
by DRN
If the concern is the steel being visible in the finished space, the bottom flange of the steel beam is flush with the bottoms of the floor joists; the ceiling finish will cover both the wood and the steel.
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:18 pm
by Tom
Not concern only a thrill.
Seeing steel framing in a Wright house, for me, is like looking under the hood:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/thbock/15 ... LXg-o2xnxv
genius and muscle
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:03 pm
by SDR
Heh -- a "creative photo" -- of what, exactly ? Not an internal combustion engine ?
Yes, I like knowing what's going on under the bodywork of a building. Better yet, bodywork and frame as one ?
SDR
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:58 pm
by SREcklund
You want steel? Come visit Hollyhock and we'll show your our structural steel ...

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:03 pm
by Tom
Gheeze.
That's gotta be seismic retrofit. Is it permanent?
(photo: Hubschrauber M18 helicopter engine.)
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:44 pm
by SREcklund
Tom wrote:Gheeze.
That's gotta be seismic retrofit. Is it permanent?
It is, and it is. Was originally buried inside walls created to hide it, but during our recent renovation when we rebuilt the playroom and deck above it, all was restored to original dimensions - meaning the steel shows. Decided to leave it showing because 1) it shows how much effort has gone into seismic upgrades and 2) too damned expensive to move it ...

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:28 pm
by SDR
I suppose an alternative would have been an exoskeleton -- maybe flying buttresses ?
Ten years ago I accompanied a friend to visit the Thorson house in Berkeley (speaking of Greene & Greene); he and others were called by the owners to consult on the insertion of invisible moment frames in the street-side ell of the house, which contains the living room on the first floor, with its amazing and delicate wall-paintings and other niceties. I never heard if the miracle was accomplished: steel inserted in the walls, invisible both inside and out.
In that case, and perhaps in the case of many Wright structures, perhaps the interior spaces are even more precious than the exterior form ?
SDR
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:35 am
by Roderick Grant
Just more proof that Hollyhock has not been restored.
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:42 pm
by DavidC
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:07 pm
by DavidC
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:10 pm
by DavidC