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My Report On The Turkel House

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:51 pm
by Guest
I was in the Turkel House today. I managed a look through a friend of mine who is a realtor. My dad and I were throwing around the idea of purchasing it as a destination rental (like the Penfield) so I made the call to my friend, and there we were.



First off, the condition of the house aint great, but its certaintly not hopeless, either. There is a lot of water damage from deferred maintenance, and there were several puddles on the floor. The wiring and plumbing will need significant work to get them up to code, and there was some deflection on the carport and some settling of the blocks.

As for the interior, the mahogany panels in the rooms looked to be in superb condition and were beautiful to look at. The bathrooms and the kitchen, as so often with Wright houses, were remodeled in a manner not matching the spirit of the house, although it looks as though the original stove is still in place. The floor looked in great condition, with the classic red cement floor looking brilliant and uncracked. A previous owner had put down carpet (and some carpet is still in a couple of the bedrooms) but it has been removed from the house. The elevator is stuck between floors and is, in my (unprofessional) estimation, beyond repair.



The built in desks, shelves and cabinets looked to be in good shape with the wood showing good color and texture. The classic usonian built in couch along the wall of the main living room was intact and in good shape. The house was freezing cold!



My realtor friend told me that the house was owned by a chap who defaulted on the mortgage and the house is now owned by the bank. There are some $13000 in back taxes owed on the property as well.



I had never thought much of the Usonian Automatics, but after being in this house, my opinion has changed. This may be one of the more underrated houses Wright did. The main living/music room is a spectacular space, on a par with some other Wright spaces I've been in. Even in its vacant/slightly run down state, the house's elegance shone through brilliantly. The upstairs bedrooms (never published in photographs to my knowledge) are models of efficiency and comfort. The study is a wonderful space, one that is naturally placed. There are wonderful cabinets placed in piers in the hallway, with ample storage space. A truly wonderful house, and an excellent example of organic architecture. Wright's genius is very apparent in this house.



Does anyone have any other information on the house's history? I am doing some research on this and other Wright houses in Michigan, and I would love to know more about Mrs. Turkel and this house. I took a lot of pictures (177 to be exact) and would love to post a few, if anyone could tell me how on this board.



All in all, the house is going to take some serious money to get put back right. The new owner would have to consult with an architect familiar with the block system to deal with the structural deflection and settling and the utlities are going to need a complete overhaul. The elevator will need to be rebuilt anew or written off entirely. There is some broken glass in the house's doors would need to replaced. There is no landscaping to speak of.



With an asking price of $462,000 with $13,000 in taxes waiting to be paid, and about $500,000 (at least) of issues to deal with, it will be an expensive proposition. We need a person like (Kentuck Knob owner) Lord Palumbo to come in and make it right. It will take a special person with a big checkbook to bring this place back to what it could be.



Again, please post if you know something of the history of Mrs. Turkel or subsequent owners of the house. I'm dying to know.

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:17 pm
by Guest
I would really enjoy seeing your photos of the house. Can you kindly email to me at:



[email protected]



All 177 of them would be great.



Thank you.

Re: My Report On The Turkel House

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:01 pm
by no-pain-in-the-ass
Anonymous wrote:I took a lot of pictures (177 to be exact) and would love to post a few, if anyone could tell me how on this board.


If you send the pictures to [email protected] I'll post them on a site, and let the forum know where.

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:20 am
by rgrant
If it ever reaches the point of needing someone knowledgable of the Usonian Automatic system, Eric Lloyd Wright was in charge of building at Kalil and Tonkens, and would be the ideal consultant.



All of the Usonian Automatics are good houses because the system is well thought out. The repetition of the grid makes visible the controlling geometry that exists in all FLW buildings, even where it is not apparent. To borrow from a current, over-used phrase, "it's the geometry, stupid!" (Sorry, I couldn't resist.) Whereas the block houses of the 20s were whimsical flights of fantasy put together with spit and a promise, the later Automatics were entirely pragmatic in their construction and design. Because of its location, Turkel's best bet for survival would probably be either as a public house (do we really need another house museum?) or as a rental.

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:10 am
by Guest
What's wrong with house museums? So long as they are properly funded (a tall order, I know) then FLW freaks like me can enjoy them and experience the real thing. Its either that or hope they are photographed and placed into books. Could you imagine how unfortunate it would be if Fallingwater was not opened to the public? I say the more the better.



Also, w/r/t the Turkel House, Lawrence Brink, a former Taliesin member, is an architect in Ann Arbor and has done extensive work on the Turkel house and may be an even better candidate.

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:32 pm
by rgrant
There is nothing wrong with house museums, per se. Houses like Dana, Hollyhock and Fallingwater would not have survived if they had not been turned into museums. Perhaps that is the only way to save Turkel as well. But I would rather see hardy souls take on the task of maintaining these wonderful places as private residences. The Pope-Leighey House is great, and it's wonderful that it has been preserved, but it is such a liveable house, that it's a shame it could not have survived as such. Other places, for one reason or another, such as the cost of maintaining a giant like the Dana House, or the non-residential character of the Hollyhock neighborhood, narrow the alternatives. The nature of 7 Mile Drive might make keeping Turkel in private hands as well, but I would rather see it reborn as a rental like Penfield than as a museum that is not lived in at all.

Turkel photos

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:58 pm
by Poppajack
Can you please email them to [email protected]?

Thanks.

Was this house scheduled to be on the Fall Conference Tour?

Pictures

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:44 pm
by Eric Wiebrecht
You are probably sick of emailing the pictures around, but could you please, please send them to [email protected]? We drove over to look at it about 2 months ago and are itching to see the inside!



Here is a neat link with older pictures taken in the summer:

http://www.nwlink.com/~jphoenix/Frank%2 ... 0House.htm



Thanks!!!!!

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:51 pm
by Guest
Eric,



The guy never emailed us the photos. Thank you for the link. Such a shame the house does not have an owner yet. It is easy to judge the outside. It is the inside that is the real beauty!

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:02 am
by Guest
This is EJ, I posted the original message.



I emailed my pics to Peter Beers who told me that he will put them up on his website ASAP.



www.peterbeers.net



When I get a few minutes tonight, I will try to email the pics to those who requested them.



Thanks,



EJ

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 7:12 pm
by no-pain-in-the-ass
Anonymous wrote:When I get a few minutes tonight, I will try to email the pics to those who requested them.


Thank you in advance.

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:48 pm
by Guest
EJ,



Another 5 days has gone by and no email of the photos you promised. We checked Mr. Beer's website and nothing posted.



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