Lloyd Lewis sections

SDR · Post by **SDR** » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:15 pm

The screen frames on the section drawings appear to be 6x lumber -- but notes refer to a "later detail," which may have been the elegant pipework ?

So much appears on the section sheets: steel is added to support the kitchen wall, now with brick veneer, over the carport -- which has a thicker roof -- on the later drawing. The width of the kitchen, its interior height, and its layout, are altered. On the opposite side of the house there is a corresponding change in the way the band of siding relates to the dining room floor level. Other changes include the switch from brick to wood on the gallery wall, and an increase in the width of the gallery. The guest room window to the loggia is also rethought.

The second drawing is labeled "Revised April 1, 1940."

SDR

Tom · Post by **Tom** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 3:33 pm

Did pharding restore this house?

JChoate · Post by **JChoate** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:11 pm

Observations:
Looking at the floor plans, this appears to be a house that offers no visitors any access to a bathroom without entering into a private bedroom first.

It is most convenient to run radiant heating pipes parallel with the joists, but usually those pipes are run in a loop which means they must connect with each other at the end of the run so you can't avoid penetrating the framing if it's all in that same plane.

I'm interested in those walls of lapped planks as seen in the hallway photo, with the planks true vertical resulting in a slightly stepped wall. I don't understand how the door would work -- a conventional door swings outward perpendicular to the wall. Swinging perpendicular to a lilted wall plan that would require the door to swing 'uphill' (to swing 'downhill' would plow the door into the floor). At Auldbrass, where the exterior walls are something like 10 degrees off vertical, the doors swing upward to the exterior where then can be held in place with hooks. Obviously a novelty move. I'm sure there's a simpler thing that happens in these stepped interior walls at Lewis & Pew. I just don't know what it is.

It occurs to me that in part of the house where I live Robert Green may have drawn inspiration from (i.e. copied) the riverside elevation of Lloyd Lewis with the upper form supported by the perpendicular brick piers below.

SDR · Post by **SDR** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:37 pm

Tom, see http://wrightchat.savewright.org/viewtopic.php?t=10281

Good question, JC. I can imagine the hinge jamb made as a triangle, with its plumb edge (inside the room) carrying the hinge (no doubt a continuous one, in Wright), with a matching wedge-shape extension to the hinged side of the door. Never seen photos of these bedrooms, or of any other battered partitions (as at Pew, for instance) to know if this somewhat hinky solution was employed.

This solution would necessitate considerable swing clearance for the door at (the top of the) the latch jamb. Hanging the door inward from the plane of the wall would ease this problem considerably; it's hard to tell how the door in the photo is hung, and the wedge of space seen at the top is puzzling.

Pew section showing wall construction also indicated on Lewis drawings:

Roderick Grant · Post by **Roderick Grant** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:41 pm

Pintle hinges could work on lapped board doors.

SDR · Post by **SDR** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:57 pm

I calculate that, with a 1/4" offset at each course, the eight-board Lewis door would have an offset of c.2", top to bottom. Here's a source for pintle hinges; they offer various offsets:

http://www.bvforge.com/hinges_heavy/overview.htm See middle of page. 'Our standard pintle offsets are 1", 1-1/2", 2" and 3".' So, one would use the 1" and the 3" hinge. The latch-side clearance issue is as described above.

All of this assumes that we want the pivot points to be in the same vertical plane.

SDR

SDR · Post by **SDR** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:12 pm

Example of a door on way-out-of-plumb hinges:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gswetsky/5788498007/

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Tom · Post by **Tom** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:51 pm

Thanks SDR
Congratulations pharding:
world historical project

outside in · Post by **outside in** » Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:39 am

The door is hinged by means of traditional hinges with 2" or more extended leafs (leaves?) They are kept low, and out of the picture shown. I would imagine that members of the Lewis family cursed Wright more than once if they ran into the hinge walking barefoot!

SDR · Post by **SDR** » Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:40 am

So, the hinge pins are not aligned -- are not plumb -- and the door swings closed of its own accord -- or all the way open ? Bizarre. The door clearly swings inward, so the hinges would be in the inside . . .

SDR

Roderick Grant · Post by **Roderick Grant** » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:02 pm

SDR, how would a hinge work if the pins were not aligned? They have to be. There is a line, whether perpendicular or oblique, passing through the pair of hinges in perfect alignment that controls the path of the door.

outside in · Post by **outside in** » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:36 pm

SDR - the bottom hinge has a 2-3 inch extension, so that the pins align with the traditional pins at the top.

outside in · Post by **outside in** » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:36 pm

or the other way around, depending on which way the door swings

SDR · Post by **SDR** » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:59 pm

Thank you. As the door swings inward, the "short" hinge would be at the bottom, solving two problems at once. Sounds like the solution was as I suggested -- but the door you inspected must be in a different location, in order for the bottom hinge to be the offending one . . .?

Roderick, note that I specified "plumb" -- a particular kind of alignment.

Interesting that we don't see photos of these bedrooms. If the Pew house was recently shown or linked, here, with new photos, as I seem to recall, I may yet see a shot of a canted door hinged as described. I'll look . . .

SDR

SDR · Post by **SDR** » Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:25 pm

Pew apparently has standard flush doors: