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Tom
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Lawrence Technology University in Detroit out on 10 Mile Road close to Bloomfield
and steward of the Affleck House is offering a Masters in
Architecture in15 months from an online program after which the graduate is
ARE eligible.
This strikes me as somewhat revolutionary in political terms.
I'm all for it.
Whadaya think?
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Post by Tom »

I think it's revolutionary because it enables an entire class of people to direct themselves toward architecture as a profession who might not be able to otherwise.
A student could train at an unaccredited community college under a professor with a Masters in Architecture, then go through the LTU online program, then sit for the ARE.
The academic business administration of the avant guard would be busted
and autochthonous grassroots architectural consciousness would flourish.
In this way the art of architecture could spread through out the land and all then live in peace and harmony.
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Not even a sarcastic comment.
My feelings are hurt.
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Post by JChoate »

Tom,
I wrote a probably-too-long reply then somehow lost the connection and lost the thing. Rather than trying to reknit that yarn, I'll be brief and say that I'd be dubious about the effectiveness of the proposed on-line quickie that LTU offers. As an employer I'd be nervous about the level of training, and particularly because I think receiving personal (one-on-one) critique is the best device for learning how to design. Trying to get that in an "on-line" course seems hard to imagine.
Back in my old days (at the "North Avenue Trade School") it took at least 6 years to get the requisite diplomas, then a minimum of 3 more years of professional experience before being eligible to take the test for licensure.
Since those old analog days of pencil & paper, there now is the added learning curves of a myriad of software programs plus ever-increasing complexity in building components and regulation. The book of What-You-Need-To Know only gets thicker.

As a result, see this:

http://thetab.com/us/2017/02/06/ranked- ... dest-59673
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I'm now wondering if all that will be replaced by ArchApp?
You just start talking into your phone until you get what you like.
Then touch print.
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Post by Roderick Grant »

It will be, Tom, eventually. Many of the highly educated professionals think they are immune from obsolescence by digital technology, and only the blue collar drones will be out of work, but the same thing that's happening to conveyor-belt industries will infest the professions as well.
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Post by Tom »

I was thinking of you, RG, when I wrote that.
My daughters Minecraft game is amazing.
What she can make at 13 never having been in Arch. studio crit is
pretty good.
My formal school experience was essential, nevertheless I think architecture is basically self-taught over a life time.
There is value in the academy, but it's not all it's cracked up to be.
There is a sense in which the organization of the academy exists more for itself
and less for the strength and growth of it's art.

I'm NOT saying I'm right.
I just have these suspicions, is all.
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Post by Roderick Grant »

I asked my optometrist if he realized that his profession could be computerized and installed into vending machines. Without hesitation (which told me he had thought about it, even may have heard a lecture on it at an optometry convention), he replied, "No, it won't happen, because you would lose the back and forth between patient and doctor." I didn't press the discussion, but that was my point. With today's technology, it would be simple:

Find a vending machine, sit, press start, Siri tells you, "Swipe your insurance card." You do. "You have a $100 deductible. Please swipe your cash card, then begin." You pay the deductible, press begin and stare into a computerized diagnostic machine, which stares into you and maps the interior of your eyes to determine what's wrong and how to fix it. (Ophthalmologists already have those diagnostic devices, but they're the ones with scalpels, so they're safe for the time being.)

Then you play with a joy stick until the image shown is as clear as you can make it, and Voila! you have a prescription. "Do you prefer spectacles or contacts?" "Spectacles, please." "Here's our catalog. Tell me which design you like." "I'll take EJ362." "Ah, Elton John, circa 1975. Popular choice, but we are currently out of that style. You can get it at Glasses R Us at the Southdale Shopping Center, or we can mail them." "Thank you, I'll pick them up."

20 minutes. Tops. It takes 4 hours to get across town to the shopping center.
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Post by JChoate »

Roderick,
Either I am particularly unlucky with the technology I encounter or your Elton John glasses are the rose-colored kind. I've grown to expect glitches when I interface with the computerized world. Or, maybe it's just a form of alienation as I sit listening to the pre-recorded voice on the phone giving me the list of options for which I am to "press 3 followed by the pound sign".

But, maybe you're right. We should be able to log onto a construction company's website; press "FLW"; then press "Usonian"; then decide between "redwood or "cypress"; click on # of bedrooms; select between "rectangle or "hexagon" for our grid; (no need to mess with the perforation pattern -- it is generated randomly using technology borrowed from the lottery industry - like snowflakes, no two are alike); then upload the aerial view of the site from Google earth; then voila! upon credit card approval the construction company's date to begin sitework will appear on the screen, along with a link to the Building Department's PDF of our building permit.
Should be easy.
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I had cataract surgery a couple of years ago, with installation of interocular lenses. Very satisfactory experience. Given the current technology, however, I doubt very much that a machine could do what my doctor did: tricky manual placement of the new lens through a slit at the edge of the cornea.

And, inspection of the interior of the eyeball, looking for signs of glaucoma or retinal detachment, doesn't seem to me to be subject to automation. On the other hand, the diagnosis of simple vision correction Tom describes is already routine -- or at least the machine exists: I was shown to the magic Zeiss device at each visit to the ophthalmologist, for determination of my acuity.

Another procedure which I find hard to imagine being automated is the coronary angioplasty I enjoyed fifteen years ago. Perhaps the three assistants aiding the surgeon could be dispensed with -- but someone had to be there to stop the bleeding from the insertion site in my groin !

Indeed, the manufacture of one-of-a-kind cabinetry and furniture, and its installation, will continue to be a hands-on trade. The nature of the product and the procedures necessary to convert material into a unique usable object built into a unique environment, will tend to defeat automation for some time to come, I expect -- if only because that is what the customer expects, enjoys, and is willing to pay for.

In the same way, the design and construction of superior architecture will not submit to hands-off or remote application, it seems to me -- unless the clientele adjusts its expectations downward ?

SDR

On the other hand, James does make the process sound feasible . . . !
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Roderick Grant wrote:"Ah, Elton John, circa 1975. Popular choice, but we are currently out of that style. You can get it at Glasses R Us at the Southdale Shopping Center, or we can mail them." "Thank you, I'll pick them up."

20 minutes. Tops. It takes 4 hours to get across town to the shopping center.
Those 4 hours won't seem so long when you're doing work while enjoying the benefits of your self-driving car
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Post by Roderick Grant »

Much of digital technology is far in the future. I believe it will happen, but as I said before, we will all be dead by then. As for cataracts, there is new laser technology that will be able to clear the original lenses making scalpels unnecessary. When I had my cataract surgery, they had a machine that not only calculated the configuration of the lens replacements, but also diagnosed the congenital damage to my retinas. They do this in a matter of seconds, producing detailed maps of the interior of the eye.

New technology based on origami, of all things, will replace those nasty stints with expandable tubes, easier to install and fail-safe.

Just as we no longer can afford many of the refinements of architecture of the past, the future of computer design may narrow options. If it cannot be done by computer (China is building a 3D printer that can construct full-scale buildings), chances are it will be priced so high it won't be affordable.

I am not implying that the future is a bowl of cherries, but hanging onto the past will not be an option. Digital, for better or worse, is coming.
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jmnally wrote:
Those 4 hours won't seem so long when you're doing work while enjoying the benefits of your self-driving car
why bother working? there's probably an app for whatever you need to do.
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Those who are lucky in life find that their work is play to them. Raise your hands . . .

SDR
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Post by Roderick Grant »

...but when mother yells at you to stop playing and wash up for liver and onions, it's not so much fun.
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