FLW's Banff Pavilion to be rebuilt

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KayFrancis
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Post by KayFrancis »

Of course, you could have simply looked back the in thread, but for your convenience, I'll save you the trouble.

"I see this as a business model that is failing financially..."

"All the complexities should be addressed before advertising for free labor..."

"I'm afraid that this effort is being run by a group that doesn't understand 'fundraising 101'...."

And my personal favorite:

"The concept of an architect working for free to recreate a FLW building is bizarre and a formula for disaster. By and large you get what you pay for......No competent architect will agree to work for the two years it will take to do the project for free. I doubt that an incompetent will agree to that, but they may have success in recruiting an incompetent architect doing a [half-assed] job that will result in a [half-assed] building built by a [half-assed] contractor. For what purpose? If they found a free architect, fundraising would be next to impossible and the results would be grossly embarrassing and mocked in the media."

And the predictable response from my dear friend SDR:

"Bravo".

I look forward to your publicly posted letter to the Ryerson team calling them incompetent. In the meantime, as I actually have a life, I will not be checking this chat room regularly, until of course, the next positive story is published about the progress of the Pavilion. But the rest of you dear friends enjoy talking about your complete mastery of the English language.

SDR
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Post by SDR »

Kay Francis, I imagine at this point that some of my fellow readers are asking themselves, "Who is this Kay Francis ? What is her interest in this
project ?"

We have your record of posts, of course; that's easy to find here by clicking on your name. But there's nothing in the record to tell us something about
you -- so that we could know who we're dealing with, you understand ?

I'm not your "dear friend" yet, but I hold out hope that we could get along -- at least. Let's assume for the moment that you could become a trusted and
treasured member of the Wright community, as represented, in part, by this forum.

Peter asked, in response to your last post, "Which criticisms have been “proven completely wrong�?" -- a question I'd like to see answered, too.
You restate some of the criticisms that have been posted so far. Do you intend to address them ? You seem to be "in the know" about the project,
so, do you have answers for the Doubting Thomases among us ?

Can you answer any of the questions that architect DRN posted, above ? He mentions reasonable and pertinent technical issues that the architectural
team must be dealing with, and that, if addressed convincingly here, might assuages some of the obvious angst.

If you're not in a position to respond to any or all of those queries, perhaps you could suggest to whom we should address our concerns ?

SDR

Roderick Grant
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Post by Roderick Grant »

Apparently, "flwromanza" is a documentarian. Is he, Michael Miner, associated with this endeavor professionally? Exactly what, beyond regurgitating a long-gone building, is afoot?

KayFrancis
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Post by KayFrancis »

I'm not any more in the about the project than you, except that I read the articles all the way through. For example, it shouldn’t be that tough for you to track down the people you want to answer your questions at
http://flwrevivalinitiative.org/

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Post by peterm »

Kay- We all wish this project well. But history shows that architecture built after the passing of the architect, or the reconstruction of historical buildings which have been razed has been fraught with difficulty. And the results are typically compromised, at best.

To observe the development of a project like this without a healthy amount of skepticism is simply naive. Critical thinking need not be feared; in fact, it might be of benefit to the final results of the project.

I wonder why you seem so belligerent as a response to our curiosity? You seem intent on scolding us for not being aware, when in reality some of us here have been trying to keep up with the scant news surrounding this project.

We do want it to succeed!

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Post by SDR »

+1

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Post by DRN »

Kay, thanks for sharing the link to the FLW Revival Initiative website...I don't recall that link being noted on this thread or in the previously linked articles prior to this.

Healeyjet
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Post by Healeyjet »

I bought my signed numbered copy of the print a while back. I am not sure the building will ever become a reality but being 8 hours away from where I live I thought I should at least buy a print.
Ward

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Roderick Grant
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Post by Roderick Grant »

This may be a case of guilt by association: Yew-Thong Leong is a very controversial figure, with a lot of former, disgruntled students venting their spleen online. In 1996, according to Corpun.com (World Corporal Punishment Research) he is "a seasoned con man," who has said, "I'll change ... trust me." Sounds like something an active con man would say. I would advise anyone close to this project to tread carefully.

KayFrancis
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Post by KayFrancis »

Hmm....this is an interesting development.

Yew-Thong Leong
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Post by Yew-Thong Leong »

KayFrancis wrote:Hmm....this is an interesting development.
How do you mean??
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Yew-Thong Leong
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Post by Yew-Thong Leong »

Roderick Grant wrote:This may be a case of guilt by association: Yew-Thong Leong is a very controversial figure, with a lot of former, disgruntled students venting their spleen online. In 1996, according to Corpun.com (World Corporal Punishment Research) he is "a seasoned con man," who has said, "I'll change ... trust me." Sounds like something an active con man would say. I would advise anyone close to this project to tread carefully.
For someone who is an architect and a Taliesin Fellow, I am baffled by your research and statistical skills, Mr. Grant.

Firstly, I am not the con-man you referred to ( https://www.corpun.com/sgju9607.htm ) ... he lives in Singapore and I in Canada, and I am much better looking ( https://www.ryerson.ca/architectural-sc ... ong-leong/ ). Unless you are long-sighted, I fail to see the resemblance between us: No, Mr. Grant, we do not look alike ... not all of us do, even if we are of the same race.

Secondly, I believe you have visited this webpage http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRat ... ?tid=18107 when you stated “a lot� of my former students venting their spleen. I counted the reviews. You should try it, the reviews numbered under 2-figure so I think you are capable of counting that high, unless you are being malicious: No, Mr. Grant, 11 out of 93 is NOT “a lot�. It is, statistically, 11.8%. In other words, 88.2% of my students actually like me. In fact some, 74% (now that's “a lot�), actually thought I am Awesome.

Perhaps I can be forgiving and may attribute the above two points as mistaken identity and the ignorance of simple High School maths, respectively ... since I am actually and factually good looking and awesome (you may also add generous and humourous to the list if you wish).

But to suggest I am “controversial�, “an active con man� and then to warn others “to tread carefully� (none of these words you paraphrased or used in quotation) would be considered a malicious and slanderous act on your part, don't you think Mr. Grant?

You know where to contact me to discuss apology, redress and compensation – just Google me. It is really that simple – I mean, I found you Mr. Grant.
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flwromanza
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Post by flwromanza »

Save your breath, Mr. Grant. I have instructed Professor Leong not to accept any communication from you. I will have our attorney review your post to determine what legal action, if any, may be taken against you.

SDR
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Post by SDR »

Aww, gee. And Peter and I had a private bet going that, of the three of us, I would be the first to be sued. I want my money back . . . !

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