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https://library.artstor.org/#/search/da ... =1;size=48
Appears to be a large, mostly-flat suburban lot (.75 acres, with a '4 foot slope from front to back').
Unique features include the wide "garden loggia"; the built-in dining nook with its open view through the gallery and to the garden; a very long living room (I'm counting 50 feet from the fireplace to its opposite wall); and the sunken garden with a geometry that insists its overall importance to the total design.
I saw that Dabney was a forerunner to the Zimmerman plan, including the window block designs...
Don't miss the treasure in this Artstor file.... the final image is a glorious early sketch by Wright.
The "garden loggia" seems like a great feature and one I can't remember seeing before in similar work.
32 ft. long, 16" X 7" steel beam supporting living room clerestory entry side. West end of beam is not in masonry pier but supported by cross beam over opening. See section J-J sheet No.4, (4913.008)
https://library.artstor.org/#/asset/285 ... 1234682547
The way the Dabney "garden loggia" and the kids bedrooms are arranged is reminiscent of the Griggs house.. Well, minus the soaring ceiling and trusses.. When I was at Griggs, one of the partitions between the kids' bedrooms was removed, creating a large "kids" sleeping area. I found it to be a really neat space; kinda dark and mysterious.
The window block design is seen at the top of this sheet:Post by peterm » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:15 pm
An analysis and history of the Zimmerman house:
Standard: (is this correct, egads?)
http://www.youtube.com/#/watch?feature= ... yEYTG4pPIk
Nils Schweitzer did the original drawing, then modifications by Jack Howe, followed by John Geiger. The precast concrete window design was recycled from the unrealized Dabney house from 1949...
https://library.artstor.org/#/asset/285 ... 1276540056
The window blocks, the piers, and the general form of the living room appear to be the Dabney-Zimmerman connection.
Found this great piece by John Geiger on the Zimmerman house (with a couple sweet construction photos):
He writes a little about the Dabney-Zimmerman connection. At the bottom of the piece was an interesting note:
Note 1: There is a further comment about the relationship between the Dabney and Zimmerman houses in another draft of this manuscript:
"The Zimmerman scheme was an adaptation of the Dabney house, which was a slightly schizophrenic concept with a combination of unequally pitched gable roofs and a flat roof with a lapped board fascia, the two being joined by a row of clerestory windows. It was an unhappy combination of forms that did not conform to Wright’s own dictum of organic; “In organic buildings nothing is complete in itself, but is only complete as the part is merged into the larger expression of the whole.” Future, p. 66). Had the flat roof been another gable and the clerestory retained, it would have been a very interesting house. Schizophrenia is difficult to cure, however, and Dabney didn’t make it. With a little more therapy it might have survived. The relationship of the dining area to the bedroom gallery would have been interesting and survived in the first Zimmerman design."
The use of the word 'schizophrenic' seems a bit hyperbolic; from the Dabney plan it appears the "garden loggia" also had a flat roof. So the blending of flat and gabled roofs occurs twice, showing some type of pattern... Are there built examples where Wright blends flat and gabled roofs like this? I'm drawing a blank on memory...
For Dabney, getting those clerestories in the south-facing front side seems important (as opposed to Zimmerman?). For the sheer volume of Dabney's living room would've been pretty dark without them. Yet with that long span of clerestories, plus the window blocks, you could imagine some beautiful plays of light in that space, especially in the winter.
Here's a scan of Zimmerman #1 that SDR uploaded in a different thread:
One critique of Wright that I'm unashamed to make concerns his dining areas. When his dining tables are pushed up against the masonry wall, like Bachman-Wilson or McCartney, etc, it will produce an eating experience where at least some of the diners are looking straight into a stone wall... Not cool! On the flip side, a dining experience like Dabney would give a full range of view. (I'm also pretty enamored with the Suntop Homes dining arrangement.)
I would call Dabney an improvement over Smith, Smith, with added garden room an improvement over Dabney, and Zimmerman an improvement over both. It should be noted that at Zimmerman, the garden room windows were to have been pairs of operable sash. Geiger thought the composition clumsy, and changed it to large, single slabs of glass, fixed.
Jay, there is one gable-cum-flat that I can think of off-hand: Mossberg.
Yes - Mossberg - I couldn't think of the name but one enters the gabled living room from under a flat roofed garden loggia type of space.