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SDR



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. Those patent and other drawings are priceless. The L-29 had inboard front brakes -- complete with cooling louvers.

There are two drawings of Cords with v-shape windshield. The perfectly vertical windshield and perfectly rectangular side glass of some Cords, like Wright's, are interesting. His convertible sedan, and the later Cord sedan, share the feature of virtually identical, mirror-image front and rear doors, both hinged from the center pillar.

Few cars of any era could boast that the windshield was fully half-way back on the body, centered on the wheelbase of the car. Most if not all L-29s do . . .

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Cord 810 posed in front of Alden Dow's Studio:

http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/cord/810/1803474.html


Le Corbusier's contribution to car design:
http://www.cardesignnews.com/articles/concept-car-of-the-week/2015/10/concept-car-of-the-week-le-corbusier-s-voiture-minimum-1936/

prototype Citroen 2CV of 1939 mentioned:
http://www.citroenet.org.uk/prototypes/2cv/2cv-prototypes-2.htm

production 2CV:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4023/4649164644_1f83ae8360_o.jpg
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That Cord sedan at Dow's is lovely. It can't be a '36, can it -- wasn't the supercharged version with side pipes only made in '37 ?


Wright's customized red Lincoln Continental had this for competition -- in the same year ? Raymond Loewy's version of the '41 Continental.
Note abbreviated front fender, half-top like Wright's, porthole not like Wright's, and missing "Continental spare":



See also, see near bottom of page -- it you make it that far ! Story and pics of the above car, etc:

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/swoopy-cars.543790/page-17

For purposes of comparison -- and involuntary shuddering:

https://drivetofive.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/wright_cherokee_red_lincoln.jpg

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought this might be of interest:

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2017/08/09/who-built-it-better-loewy-v-stevens-v-wright-on-the-lincoln-continental/
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DRN wrote:
I thought this might be of interest:

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2017/08/09/who-built-it-better-loewy-v-stevens-v-wright-on-the-lincoln-continental/


I think I'd have to vote Wright, not only because I prefer it, but because it was first and thus inspiration for the others. Only think I dislike is the lack of a rear window of some sort - I think another of those half moons might have looked nice.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stevens made his car look like a truck, I think. Wright did a bit better, but the crooked half-moon window and chopped windshield don't really work, for me. (Yes, I'd like to see what a third semicircular window would look like.) Loewy is the pro in the field, and his car is the most accomplished and coherent remodel. But (as is so often the case) the original and stock pre-war Continental is the best of the lot. Don't ask me about the "updated" post-war car . . .

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stevens' paint "seam" does bisect the car much the same way a cab and bed do on a truck. Loewy does a similar move, but his wider run of paint along the rocker panel keeps the rear section from seeming detached from the front.

The 1946-48 Lincoln Continentals were a sad end to an elegant design. I had chalked it up to the need for something, anything, new post-war and Edsel Ford not being there to keep the integrity of the design intact. I was surprised to learn the squaring of fenders and fussy grille were first introduced in the fall of 1941 for the 1942 model year, before Edsel's death from stomach cancer in 1943.

I still would love to know what Wright thought of the 1956-57 Continental Mark II....though his vehicular interests seemed by that time to be focused on actual cars from Europe, rather than American cars inspired by European design.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure where I heard it, but apparently FLW bought four '56 Connies, which, after his death, Olga painted pink ... including the license plates.

Can you imagine anyone talking this loving way about the cars on the road today? Modern car design isn't necessarily bad, but it is boring as dirt. You have to search for the insignia to find out which brand it is. From the side, the bulbous things all look alike, except for those Beetles with the Rolls Royce grills.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is slim pickings, indeed. The Vatican's choice still comes out on top for me.

https://www.google.com/search?q=alfa+giulia&client=safari&hl=en-us&prmd=niv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEmOCu_8zVAhVo6oMKHR6LAjIQ_AUIESgC&biw=375&bih=559#imgrc=Ms0VWNLRn-VroM:
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 2005 Alfa 159 sedans used by the police in "Montalbano," an Italian cop show on TV, caught my eye.

http://allcarmodels.net/alfa-romeo/159/2005-alfa-romeo-159-1-generation-sedan/

This body was the work of ItalDesign, which gained popularity when it produced the first Rabbit and Scirocco body designs for VW. The DeLorean was another early hit, and any number of supercars also came from Giugiaro.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italdesign_Giugiaro

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Vatican is buying Giulias??!! With the current Pope?

I had read of Vatican security being up in arms about Pope Francis driving himself from time to time around Vatican City in an '84 Renault 4.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2013-09-11/pope-francis-drives-himself-around-vatican-used-renault-4

I'm not enamored with the look of most new car offerings...they look like potatoes painted in Hot Wheels-esque cartoon colors. All design seems focused on the fussy headlights. The last truly attractive new production car design I saw was the ill fated Fisker Karma:

https://www.google.com/search?q=fisker+karma&rlz=1T4LENN_enUS619US619&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjK-Nvzhs3VAhVGyoMKHb1xAzwQ_AUICigB&biw=1289&bih=704
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Vatican invests in Alfa.

"However, it has become public knowledge that the Vatican is one of the most important financial powers in Italy, controlling at least a dozen large financial institutions and hundreds of smaller ones.

The Vatican has extensive interests in thousands of Italian companies, many of them huge monopolies like Alfa Romeo (cars), Firmeccania (engineering) and Finmare (shipping)."
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Vatican invests in Alfa.

"However, it has become public knowledge that the Vatican is one of the most important financial powers in Italy, controlling at least a dozen large financial institutions and hundreds of smaller ones.

The Vatican has extensive interests in thousands of Italian companies, many of them huge monopolies like Alfa Romeo (cars), Firmeccania (engineering) and Finmare (shipping)."

http://www.mltranslations.org/NewZealand/Vatican.htm
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My brother had a '62 Spider. Well, actually he shared possession of it with his mechanic. Gotta love those Italians! They make beautiful things that don't work very well. In 1966 I fixed Cyril Delevanti's Colibri.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a bad looking car at all, though I'd prefer to see it with vintage "Rosso Corsa" paint:

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/maserati-to-debut-granturismo-replacement-in-2017-alfieri-in-2018-106818.html
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