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Louis Fredrick home, Barrington Hills, IL
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peterm



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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SDR



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that a Lamberson detail sheet, Peter ? Where in the house are those nice steel Tees a part of the glazing ?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is only one spot, the last two posts before the mitered glass and giant cantilever in the living room. The steel is exposed and painted on the exterior. The interior is covered by a redwood board.

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SDR



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lovin' that -- a remarkably frank exposure of structure. A further mystery is the indication of Ts as part of the sash stile; through-fastening of these to the wood of the sash is shown. Why would the sash need this reinforcement only here -- or are all sash in the house so reinforced, on paper at least ?

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peterm



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have always assumed that a substantial post was necessary to carry the weight of the roof cantilever at that one point.

It's possible there is concealed steel throughout, but it is not visible...
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DRN



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All glass, including mitred, at Sweeton is 1/4". Possibly 1/8" was preferred for more acute angles?
John: Have you found thinner mitred glass at diamond module Usonians?
Dan C.: is this consistent with what you have found at Dobkins?
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peterm



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good question... Now I'm curious whether the larger windows at our house (french doors) would also have 1/8"?

DRN- do your plans specify 1/4"?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. "1/4" plate glass"
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting...

It is difficult to imagine 1/8" glass In this situation..., not so much the glass in the doors, but in the upper transoms!

Sweeton living room:




Easier to picture 1/8"? (The large corner mitered windows were replaced with thicker glass, the smaller ones shown in the second photo still have 1/8")

Lamberson:
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really like that photo numbered 27, looking out at that tree with yellow autumn leaves -- how that golden light reflects in the sheen of the soffit.
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peterm



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When one stands in the living room at the center of the 60 degree angle, the trunk of the majestic pin oak is perfectly aligned. I'm not sure if the tree was there in 1948, or if it was planted later. I wish they grew faster, and/or I were younger. I would plant more of them!

Meanwhile- back at the Barrington Hills, Frederick ranch... outside in- Beautiful, thorough work, as usual... I can't wait to see the finished product!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The brick used on the house matches that used by Saarinen at Cranbrook - it appears that Fredrick chose the color and Norman brick size. Cleaning was accomplished by steam, no chemicals:





Similarly, Fredrick requested Cedar Shakes rather than Shingles. The roof work entailed filling the 2x10 cavity with cellulose insulation, and then placing a 2-1/2 inch rigid board panel over the sheathing, resulting in R=45. Wright specified that the shakes have varying exposure.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

outside in wrote:
Wright specified that the shakes have varying exposure.


So, I presume the ones removed weren't the originals, given the uniform exposure?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the shakes that were removed dated from 15 years ago - this is the third roof
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shakes work on this house. They were less successful on Chauncey Williams.
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