Louis Fredrick home, Barrington Hills, IL

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JPB_1971
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Louis Fredrick home, Barrington Hills, IL

Post by JPB_1971 »

This home strikes me as one of the less frequently photographed Wright works. Perhaps I've just not come across a publication that provides more than a couple photos. The house sounds like an attractive plan and from the couple photos I've seen (view from driveway to entrance and carport) it looks attractive. Does anyone know if the home is in good condition? Has anyone ever visited it?

How far away is Barrington Hills from Chicago? Looks like a nice community, larger lots, sort of semi-rural in feel.

Thanks!

jmcnally
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Post by jmcnally »

I would say it's about 1:15 to 1:30 from Chicago, on a decent traffic day. My daughter lives in the NW suburbs, and it's not far from there. You can't see anything from the road, though - and you take your life into your hands by even trying to pull over on that road.

There is another house in that community (Post - a Marshall Erdman prefab) that gives far better views. That one's worth the drive.

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Post by Roderick Grant »

Refer to the Dlesk Project #1 (Mono 8/199; Tash 3/393), an unbuilt plan that was built for Frederick. The initial plan for Frederick (Mono 8/133; Tash 3/363) was Usonian Automatic. Tashen 3/364 includes a photo of the entrance facade of Frederick.

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Louis Frederick house for sale

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I just saw this at Wright on the Market:
http://www.savewright.org/index.php?page=33&id=155

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Post by JPB_1971 »

Thanks for the link, peterm. Due to the the relative lack of frequent updates I don't check Wright on the Market on a regular basis. I hope this house can find a buyer who will be a good steward. Per the broker sounds like it's been maintained. Looks like it's vacant at the moment. I'll have to check for an external link to the broker to see if more info is available. Does anyone have a sense of whether the asking price is reasonable for 10 acres in Barrington Hills? Not sure of the size of the home in square feet though so without that info it might be tough to hazard a guess.

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Post by peterm »

It's a very affluent village, and considering that it's ten acres, seems to be priced reasonably. The question of property taxes and energy costs are always huge factors in Illinois.

http://www.zillow.com/barrington-hills-il/#more
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barringt ... ,_Illinois

John
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Frederick

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OMG those are lousy photos! Not the kind of photos that would be attractive to a buyer, I would think.

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Post by peterm »

Much better photos! Another great Wright house:

http://louzucaro.bairdwarner.com/proper ... S-IL-60010

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Post by SDR »

Peter's zillow link above has bigger versions of the same very good photos. Save Wright should be embarrassed by their inadequate display; perhaps there is a reason for it.

Comparison of the zillow plan with Storrer's shows so many variances that it's difficult to imagine where the former came from. I haven't yet taken Roderick's lead and inspected Taschen. Storrer's comments are well worth the reading.

SDR

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Post by peterm »

Oh... I'd forgotten that I already linked the Zillow photos.
It is strange that the Wright on the Market pics are so homespun...

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Post by SDR »

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Post by DRN »

Comparison of the zillow plan with Storrer's shows so many variances that it's difficult to imagine where the former came from.
From what I'm seeing in the realtor's photos, it would appear the following are in or may be in play:

- The realtor's floor plan depicts the rooms as they currently exist with the exception of the windows and the fireplace...there seems to be an aversion to drawing corner windows or possibly the linework depicting fixed sashes is printing a solid wall; and the delineator may not have known how to draw a corner fireplace or missed it altogether.

- Wright's and Storrer's plan do not match what is seen in the photos at the fireplace and the bedroom interiors. Was Storrer's plan too reliant on Wright's plan and did not take into account all of the as-built changes? He does seem to account for the increased window size at the end of the bedroom wing from what is shown on the Taliesin plan, but the open corner fireplace in the living room is not depicted in his plan or the realtor's. Were changes made subsequent to Storrer's data gathering visits in 1968-71? I seriously doubt the fireplace was changed after 1971, but the bedrooms could have been.

- The white drywall partition in one of the bedrooms looks out of place...a later alteration to divide the big children's room?

- The photo of the bath in the first bedroom seems to match the realtor photo...a field change during original construction to gain windows in the bedroom or a later alteration? Was it missed by Storrer in his visit or was it altered later?

- In the same photo as the drywall partition there also seems to be an interruption in the unit lines on the floor slab...could this be indicative of a floor patch or possibly the relocation/capping of some under slab feature?

The house may have been altered as it was originally built and/or sustained some changes post construction. In any case, it is a great house I hadn't really seen before.

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Post by Roderick Grant »

DRN, you're misreading the fireplace. It isn't a corner. There is a very broad chimney with a fireplace extending out of the middle of it.

Notice in the elevations of Dlesk, the roof line extends out as it rises in a fashion quite popular with MCM, while Fredrick, as built, recedes up to the ridge to admit light to the clerestories. See photos 6, 10, 15, 16 and Storrer's plan.

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Post by DRN »

You are right Roderick...I was reading the brass curtain on the far side as light colored masonry.

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Post by JChoate »

After being so used to the more expected FLW palette, it takes a little getting used to the different color scheme -- the ochre brick & concrete floor, and the wood stained toward the yellow side of the spectrum. After loving so many red stained concrete floors, I'm not as fond of this gold rendition. Instead of being maximally warm as is the red, this gold version looks a little caustic to me.

I wonder what specie is the wood. Its quiet grain is clearly not the expected cypress or redwood. It appears in some photos to possibly have a tinted stain on parts of the ceilings. I do like the kitchen volume in the first photo in which it appears, with the interesting complexity of the upper windows and their very brawny mullion/sash construction.

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