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Chahroudi / Massaro residence on Petre Island
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SDR



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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes -- to that small degree. But as you say, some houses were "less Wright" right from the beginning.

Some would argue that a real Usonian was a bit on the flimsy side -- like a Japanese lantern, compared to a bronze and crystal chandelier ? -- so your changes would be an improvement in their eyes.

Come to coastal California, where the climate permits a lighter form of construction ! (120-yr-old houses, built without indoor "conveniences," have their retrofit plumbing waste lines displayed on the side walls like Alien decoration; roofs ready for re-shingling are seen to consist of skip-sheathing -- 1x4s placed on the rafters just where needed for nailing of the roof cover. These practices have of course been superceded. . .)

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Living Wright in Lake Mahopac


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.nyacknewsandviews.com/2014/08/franklloydwright_blauvelt/
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The golf buddies-turned-filmmakers had hoped to debut the documentary on PBS, but their marketing fee of $15,000 “is just too high,” says Massaro.

With all the money he seems to have poured into this endevour, $15K to PBS to promote an ego boosting film for a wealthy egoist was too much to pay? Later on Massaro notes he is an aggressive negotiator...

The house looks fine from a distance, and I'm sure it is a great way to experience the lake, if the fake looking stonework and too flat relief of the copper panel isn't the visual equivalent of scratching a blackboard to the observer.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:39 am    Post subject: Massaro vs Chahroudi Reply with quote

So the discussion goes on. I worked with the predecessor to Massaro to get Chahroudi built but, of course, never came to fruition.
Everything Randolph Henning says is spot on.
It clearly was not build to Wright's plan. Where is the ladder down to the lake. Massaro didn't want it, so it was deleted.
That is enough to say NOT Wright.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Massaro vs Chahroudi Reply with quote

MichiganBill wrote:
So the discussion goes on.


Actually, I'd argue that it _doesn't_, given that this article is a reprint from 2012. No one outside a small handful consider this a Wright - at best, it is "Wright-inspired" based on the limited drawings created. Changes by the owner only serve to dilute the already-limited pedigree.

Maybe I'm just prejudiced, but working with Massaro colors my perception of Heinz's work in a negative way ...
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't object on principle (or for any other reason, I guess) to the creation of an unbuilt Wright design -- especially on the originally-intended site. But the object must be a good-faith attempt at Wright's design. Massaro, even with its presumably-qualified architect, fails on several points, as mentioned. And it's much too late to take Wright's name off of it, unfortunately, try as one might; there are too many references -- online, if nowhere else -- to it as a Wright house, which it clearly attempts to be. I wonder if a future owner will attempt to correct the most obvious flaws . . .

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is only one catalog of Wright's work and It will go into its 4th edition on May 22 of this year and It does not include Massaro-Chahroudi
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So how many catalogs of Wright's work are there? Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
So how many catalogs of Wright's work are there? Wink


Personally, despite my feelings about his association with Massaro, I use Heinz's guidebook.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mahopac’s Frank Lloyd Wright House Back on the Market


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heart Shaped Private Island with Frank Lloyd Wright Designed Home


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least the cottage, a true structural marvel, is in good shape. The main house could be remedied with some effort to get rid of the stone acne. As a concrete monolith, it would be quite handsome.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One assumes that the marvel mentioned is the employment of the light decks around the perimeter of the cottage to restrain the thrust of the dome-like roof. Pfeiffer: "It is by means of these decks that support and stability is
provided for the roof . . ." (Monograph 8, p 19).

One thinks of the iron hoops or chains used in former times on certain European church domes. Given the support at mid-point on both halves of the quasi-oval shape of the roof, the decks presumably provide two roughly equal
C-shaped members, tied into the masonry masses, to counter outward movement of the half-domes . . .?








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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that the original stone work in the cottage? Seems off to me...or was the main house based on that stone-work?

And I take it no insulation in that cottage roof, huh?
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