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Paul Ringstrom



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TnGuy,

Try this:
http://www.betterverse.org/2010/12/frank-lloyd-wright-foundation-forces-closure-of-virtual-museum-on-december-10.html
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m.perrino



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After speaking with my 27 year old nephew regarding "Second Life" ( and having my mind expanded without benefit of injesting anything...) it might have come down to : 1. Money ( revenue generated or anticipated revenue - from the 'store' end of VM ) and/or perhaps more importantly, for the FDN - the ultimate lack of control they would have over participants in Second Life, who could conceivably make, buy, and sell their own FLW buildings, furniture, etc. free from the trademark arm....

Perhaps also it is the lack of comprehension about how new technology can or should be used to further concepts and ideas.

More as it develops.....
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Paul Ringstrom



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

m.perrino wrote:
Perhaps also it is the lack of comprehension about how new technology can or should be used to further concepts and ideas.


translation: Out-of-touch with the real world... still.

also, from what I have read the FLWVM does not profit from items sold on the SL website. I will try to confirm this when I meet with the C-Exec. Dir of FLWVM in the next few days.[/i]
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Mark Hertzberg



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Owners of copyrights may sometimes seem petty protecting copyright or registered material, but legally, if you block some uses of a protected name, and let others slide, you may lose the right to protect the brand name altogether because it has become "genericized." I was told this this long ago, and just checked at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genericized_trademark

We do the same thing at the newspaper. Someone thought I was being petty when I called him a month ago and told him to remove a news photo I had shot in conjunction with a tornado story, from a Facebook page unless he wanted us to pursue legal action through FB's arm that deals with that. We cannot let people simply take our copyright material off our website and post it to their Facebook page or redistribute it to friends without credit, permission, or payment to our reprint service. We often give permission for local non-profits to use our photos without paying for them, but they have to get our permission first, and must credit the source of the photo.
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DavidC



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the future of the Foundation's sake, there needs to be some kind of balance struck between 'death-grip' vs. 'free-for-all'. Historically, they have had strong tendencies to adhere to the 'death-grip' control philosophy - with the end result being that, yes, they do end up with great control of their market, but the reach and make-up of that market therefore is very small, limited and limiting in terms of it's broad potential for the FLW audience (both existing and new/expanded).

One of the largest parts of the Foundation's Mission includes "Preserve the works, ideas, and innovative spirit of Frank Lloyd Wright for the benefit of all generations". This makes me wonder what their definition of "all generations" actually is? Is it the few who will gain access through the pittance that Foundation doles out over time? Or will it be those who would otherwise get to know, appreciate and love Wright's work coming to it from avenues outside the Foundation's pervue - for example, the FLW Virtual Museum discussed in this thread - that will now be denied that opportunity and are then 'lost before you've even found them'?


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Laurie Virr



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr Hertzberg:

Your defense of the Frank Lloyd Wright Foundation is far from convincing.

It is perfectly understandable that you wish to claim copyright to your own fine work, but for far too long the members of the Foundation have battened and fattened on the work of somebody else. A person, I surmise, that some of them never met.

My reading has led me to believe that when FLLW passed, he had managed to reacquire 3000 acres of his family’s ancestral land in the vicinity of Spring Green.

In 1993 only 600 acres remained, and even that was farmed by sharecroppers. One can only assume that whilst the Fellowship was practicing the Gurdjieff movements, for they had no commissions at the time, their board, lodging and pocket money came as a result of the sale of 2400 acres of land, and all the other items the various FLLW organizations laid claim to.

A recent visit to the Taliesin Preservation Incorporated website, would suggest that with regard to the merchandise now being proffered the organization is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Other FLLW focused organizations appear to be similarly inept. Meanwhile, one finds current photo-images of Taliesin, with stone walls leaning as far out of plumb as it is possible to imagine, projects commenced, and abandoned before completion. It is difficult not to form the impression that for those charged with administering the rehabilitation of what is perhaps FLLW’s finest building, the ability to hold a cocktail glass is of far greater significance than being skillful with a trowel or a saw.

I would suggest that many FLLW enthusiasts are horrified at what has happened. Olgivanna originated the neglect of course, having been obliged to live in a house that had been originally designed for a woman of far greater talents than she. The former’s faithful band have continued her efforts. Their actions are indefensible.
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Mark Hertzberg



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not taking sides. I posted a piece as to why the Foundation may feel compelled to take certain action.

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Paul Ringstrom



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://primperfectblog.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/designing-worlds-discusses-the-closure-of-the-frank-lloyd-wright-virtual-museum/
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Deke



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I missed this online meeting. Did any clearer understanding come from it?

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Paul Ringstrom



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deke wrote:
Sorry I missed this online meeting.


The hour long session is recorded here:
http://treet.tv/shows/designingworlds
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Deke



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. Sounds like the big issues are the use of Wright's name in the title of the museum, and - their assumption - that the Foundation was uncomfortable with trying to approve new buildings created for the site.

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DavidC



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Foundation might want to unleash their attack dogs on this.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Designing Worlds: Frank Lloyd Wright Virtual Museum Closes Doors


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Deke



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Foundation has trademarked the word Usonian...you can check the online trademark office database about that.

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Wrightgeek



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deke-

That is very interesting to know considering the following quote I found on the website chasingflw.com, which claims that FLW borrowed the term Usonian from this novel.

Quote:
Usonian was his word for the United States lifted from the novel Erewhon by Samuel Butler.
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