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BBuck



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[Kamehameha Golf Club is a dreadful piece of architecture.]

Paul, I certainly agree. It doesn't even come close.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kamehameha is as close to Windfors/Monroe-Miller/Ballieres as Klotsche-Soiero is to Burlingham, or Aaron Spelling's 50,000 sf pile is to Chantilly Chateau. This is all about big bucks not having a clue.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone have insights regarding the Bruce Brooks Pfeiffer house? The Jester House is a personal favorite of mine, and I am curious as to whether the legacy project was a successful realization of Wright's design. I have seen the photos on Storrer's site, but was curious as to the opinions of people who have more information or have visited the house. Langdon
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a plan, SDR has one I sent him, I also have one from the Architectural Forum, at my work who probably can scan it if I ask.. I just got a book with BBP house in it...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobertR:

I just learned that there is a six page article about the Klotsche "Pottery House" in issue #41 (August/September - 1987 - pp 26-31) of "Fine Homebuilding" magazine. No telling if back issues are available, but it might be worth trying to contact Taunton Press - and/or keep a search going for it on eBay.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Langdon, I believe Jester was highly modified by BBP, esp in terms of scale..........
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Roderick Grant said, here

http://savewright.org/wright_chat/viewtopic.php?t=2433

"The two things I find disturbing about Pfeiffer are the change of scale and the reduction of the entire structure to a single material."


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1046/1391869115_f1898e1452.jpg

http://prairiemod.typepad.com/prairiemod/images/2007/10/26/picture_2.jpg
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Laurie Virr



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ralph Jester house:

A beautifully conceived design, using stone and plywood, the latter in a form that embraced the cutting edge technology of the day. Designed as a house for a bachelor, the interesting spaces were beautifully scaled for one person, and for many.

The Pfeiffer house:

The ultimate betrayal.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how many architects -- and builders ? -- imagine that a piece of 1/2" plywood (say) can easily be bent to the radii shown in the Jester design. "Bent plywood," whether at the scale of furniture or of architecture, is most successfully shaped by being laminated into its desired curve over or within a form. Vacuum technology is a more recent addition to the arsenal of the wood-wrangler.

As with so many other building issues, it is the edges (the ends of the curved plane) that present the most trouble, when making a warped plane.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think BBP kept to the plan, it was changed several times for many other project, but in my words.. I think it retains the masterful and majestic feel of the design but to BBP's needs, as Frank Lloyd Wright would probably enlarge the plan to fit ones needs.. Look at Lykes wasn't built till after Wright's death...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote




From Within Outward.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for The replies everyone. Jeff, SDR thanks for the images i had not seen that rendering or that model of the Jester house before! Langdon
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have taken the liberty of combining info already presented in this thread. I am attempting to create a comprehensive list as well - but I have turned it around and focused on the actual built structure & its location, as I will be traveling soon and want to make a quick visit to any sites on my route. Here is my list - please let me know if there are more to add.

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LEGACY PROJECTS IN ORDER OF BUILT

Site   Year   Name/based on
      
AZ   1950   First Christian Church (1972) - Phoenix, AZ based on Southwest Christian Seminary (1950) - Glendale, AZ

AZ   1971   Arthur and Bruce Brooks Pfeiffer (1971) - Scottsdale, AZ based on Ralph Jester house (1938) - Palos Verdes, CA

AZ   1981   Bendheim House - Phoenix, AZ (1981) - (demolished 2004) based on Lloyd Burlingame "Pottery House" (1940) - El Paso, TX

AZ   1983   Pinnacle Peak West Clubhouse (1983) - Phoenix, AZ -  based on San Marcos Water Gardens (1927) - Chandler, AZ

AZ   2004   Frank Lloyd Wright Spire (2004) - Phoenix, AZ -  based on Arizona State Capitol Spire (1957) - Phoenix, AZ

CA   1975   Joe Feldman Residence (1975) - Berkeley, CA - based on Lewis N Bell (1939) - Los Angeles, CA

CA   2000   Gold Mountain Country Club (2000) - Plumas County, CA -  based on Nakoma Clubhouse (1924) - Madison, WI

HI   1995   Sandy Sims House (1995) - Kamuela, HI -  based on Gibbons Gray Cornwell (1954) - West Goshen, PA

HI   2000   Waikapu Valley Country Club (2000) - Maui, HI based on Robert Windfohr (1949) - Fort Worth, TX & Arthur Miller (1957) - Roxbury, CT

MI   1985   Whiteford-Haddock (1985) - Ann Arbor, MI based on Edith Carlson (1940) - Superior, WI; Wikipedia article says it is based on based on the unbuilt Roy Peterson House 1941

MN   1971   Donald E. and Virginia Lovness Cottage (1971) - Stillwater, MN - based on Seth Peterson Cottage (1958) - Lake Delton, WI

MN   2007   Christopher Ljungkull and James Seidl Cottage (2007) St. Croix, MN - based on Donald E. and Virginia Lovness Cottage C (1959) - Stillwater, MN /

NM   1984   Klotsche-Soiero Residence (1984) - Santa Fe, NM - based on Lloyd Burlingame "Pottery House" (1940) - El Paso, TX

NY   Planning stages   Filling station Buffalo Transportation/Pierce Arrow Museum Buffalo NY   based on gas station design for Buffalo, NY

NY   2004   Blue Sky Mausoleum (2004) - Buffalo, NY - based on Blue Sky Burial Terrace (1928) - Buffalo, NY

NY   2007   Fontana Rowing Boathouse (2007) - Buffalo, NY - based on Yahara Boat Club (1902) - Madison, WI

NY   2007   Joseph Massaro House (2007) - Petra Island, Lake Mahoupac, NY - based on Chahroudi House (1950) - Petra Island, Lake Mahoupac, NY

OH   2002   John and Kay Berno House (2002) - Clifton, OH - based on Sidney Newman (1939) - Lansing, MI

UT   2002   Bob Wright House (2002) - Park City, UT -  based on George Dlesk (1956) - Manistee, MI & Louis B. Fredrick (1954) in Barrington Hills, IL (S.376)

VA   1984   West House (1984) - Manassas, VA based on Vincent J. Scully, Jr. (1947) - New Haven, CT

VA   2004   Wayne McBroom Cottage (2004) - Shenanndoah VA -  based on Ruth G. Keith (Scheme #2) (1947) - Oakland County, PA

WI   1996   Monona Terrace Community and Convention Center (1996) - Madison, WI - based on Monona Terrace Civic Center (1939 - 55) - Madison, WI

IRELAND   2007   Marc Coleman House (2007) - Dublin, Ireland - Gilbert Wieland (Erdman #2) (1959) - Hagerstown, MD

MODEL   1986   Frank Lloyd Wright in the Realm of Ideas - full scale exhibition model house (1986) - (discarded at end of exhibition run in 1990) -  based on Gerald Sussman (1955) - Rye, NY

      
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TnGuy wrote:
The Very Unofficial "PROJECTS-BUILT-FROM-ORIGINAL-WRIGHT-DESIGNS-POST-WRIGHT" List:


Yahara Boat Club (1902) - Madison, WI / Fontana Rowing Boathouse (2007) - Buffalo, NY - Frank Lloyd Wright's Rowing Boathouse

Nakoma Clubhouse (1924) - Madison, WI / Gold Mountain Country Club (2000) - Plumas County, CA - Nakoma Golf Resort

San Marcos Water Gardens (1927) - Chandler, AZ / Pinnacle Peak West Clubhouse (1983) - Phoenix, AZ - Paradise Peak West

Blue Sky Burial Terrace (1928) - Buffalo, NY / Blue Sky Mausoleum (2004) - Buffalo, NY - Blue Sky Mausoleum

Monona Terrace Civic Center (1939 - 55) - Madison, WI / Monona Terrace Community and Convention Center (1996) - Madison, WI - Monona Terrace

Ralph Jester (1938) - Palos Verdes, CA / Arthur and Bruce Brooks Pfeiffer (1971) - Scottsdale, AZ

Lewis N Bell (1939) - Los Angeles, CA / Joe Feldman Residnece (1975) - Berkeley, CA - Feldman House article

Sidney Newman (1939) - Lansing, MI / John and Kay Berno House (2002) - Clifton, OH - Berno House article

Lloyd Burlingame "Pottery House" (1940) - El Paso, TX / Bendheim House (1981) - Phoenix, AZ - (demolished 2004)

Lloyd Burlingame "Pottery House" (1940) - El Paso, TX / Klotsche-Soiero Residence (1984) - Santa Fe, NM - Frank Lloyd Wright's "Pottery House" & Article on Klotsche "Pottery House"

Edith Carlson (1940) - Superior, WI / Whiteford-Haddock (1985) - Ann Arbor, MI

Vincent J. Scully, Jr. (1947) - New Haven, CT / West House (1984) - Manassas, VA

Ruth G. Keith (Scheme #2) (1947) - Oakland County, PA / Wayne McBroom Cottage (2004) - Shenanndoah VA - McBroom Cottage article

Robert Windfohr (1949) - Fort Worth, TX & Arthur Miller (1957) - Roxbury, CT / Waikapu Valley Country Club (2000) - Maui,HI - King Kamehameha Golf Club

Chahroudi House (1950) - Petra Island, Lake Mahoupac, NY / Joseph Massaro House (2007) - Petra Island, Lake Mahoupac, NY - Massaro House wikipedia page

Southwest Christian Seminary (1950) - Glendale, AZ / First Christian Church (1972) - Phoenix, AZ - First Christian Church of Phoenix history timeline

Gibbons Gray Cornwell (1954) - West Goshen, PA / Sandy Sims House (1995) - Kamuela, HI - Sims House article

Gerald Sussman (1955) - Rye, NY / Frank Lloyd Wright in the Realm of Ideas - full scale exhibition model house (1986) - (discarded at end of exhibition run in 1990) - Article halfway down page

George Dlesk (1956) - Manistee, MI / Bob Wright House (2002) - Park City, UT - The Wright House

Arizona State Capitol Spire (1957) - Phoenix, AZ / Frank Lloyd Wright Spire (2004) - Phoenix, AZ - Frank Lloyd Wright Spire article

Seth Peterson Cottage (1958) - Lake Delton, WI / Donald E. and Virginia Lovness Cottage (1971) - Stillwater, MN - panoramic view of Lovness Cottage interior

Donald E. and Virginia Lovness Cottage C (1959) - Stillwater, MN / Christopher Ljungkull and James Seidl Cottage (2007) St. Croix, MN - images of Christopher Ljungkull and James Seidl Cottage

Gilbert Wieland (Erdman #2) (1959) - Hagerstown, MD / Marc Coleman House (2007) - Dublin, Ireland - Coleman House article





I've decided to arrange the list in chronological order based upon Wright's plans. As time permits, I hope to be able to further refine the accuracy of the information. Please contribute any knowledge you may have - either here in the thread or in private to me - that can help improve what is already listed, as well as of any homes not yet a part of it. Thank you.


David


Im arriving too late to this thread.
the link for :
Ruth G. Keith (Scheme #2) (1947) - Oakland County, PA / Wayne McBroom Cottage (2004) - Shenanndoah VA - McBroom Cottage article
is no good. does anyone have any images of this house built?

and the link for:
Donald E. and Virginia Lovness Cottage C (1959) - Stillwater, MN / Christopher Ljungkull and James Seidl Cottage (2007) St. Croix, MN - images of Christopher Ljungkull and James Seidl Cottage
is great. I would love to see even more images of this one. Wow.
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