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SDR



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll second that. A good pair of eyes is an irreplaceable asset; diligent scholarship is another. Good to have you here !


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dtc



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no Goldish hue in the incised strokes of Wright's signature.
When one takes a closer look at the tile at Taliesin one will see highlights on the right of the characters. The dominate light source is coming from the left.
Note the cast shadow of the tile...it suggests the main light source is from the upper left.

Also every tile I have examined clearly appears that the clay body is white.
Note the damaged tile at the Price Tower. The Rubin tile I held in my hand was made of a White clay body.

I studied the Penfield tile and he may have used a darker colored clay body, or it was over fired. {I worked with a number of ceramicists over the years and observed that shade of Red from low fired kiln loads.)
The Penfield color fired to a darker less saturated hue than we find on all the other tiles. I suspect they were all low fired, the Red is indicative of a low firing.
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DavidC



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrightgeek

Thanks for updating the list. And based upon what Dan (dtc) has mentioned, perhaps we should add the Rubin tile to the list too. Even though it was never applied directly to the building itself, it is with the home.


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DRN



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember seeing a photo of the Haynes house front door that appeared to show a red tile just to the left of the door knob. I think the pic is in a YouTube slide show or the house's website. Does anyone else recall this?

Here is a link to a photographer site:

http://www.juergennogai.com/?lb=d5fbdb59c72a3d0

The tile is just visible above the hedge next to the front door....looks small though.


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hypnoraygun



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DRN wrote:
I remember seeing a photo of the Haynes house front door that appeared to show a red tile just to the left of the door knob. I think the pic is in a YouTube slide show or the house's website. Does anyone else recall this?


This house does not have a Wright tile. They have a tiny little red tile, that isn't the same size and it does not have a signature on it.
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DRN



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks hypnoraygun.
How have you fared in the recent wild weather?
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hypnoraygun



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DRN wrote:
Thanks hypnoraygun.
How have you fared in the recent wild weather?


We have been blessed with no weather related damage. But, unfortuantly a lot of people were. Thank you for asking!
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Wrightgeek



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

David-

The list has been updated, and now includes the Rubin Residence as per your suggestion.
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hypnoraygun



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrightgeek, care to post the most up to date list here at the end?? Do we just need to add Rubin? I see several lists, and I am going to update the one on Flickr as best as I can.. Just checking.. This is what I have...

Updated List as of 11/23/09

1 Baker (1909) (Tile Added In 1958)
2 Taliesin III (1925) *
3 Johnson Wax Administration Building (1936)
4 Hanna Residence (1936) *
5 Taliesin West (1937) *
6 Jacobs II Residence (1944) *
7 Walter Residence (1945) *
8 M,M. Smith Residence (1946) *
9 Unitarian Meeting House (1947) *
10 V.C. Morris Gift Shop (1948) *
11 Walker Residence (1948)
12 Kenneth Laurent Residence (1949) *
13 David Wright Residence (1950) *
14 Berger Residence (1950)
15 Kinney Residence (1951)
16 Austin Residence (1951)
17 Price Tower (1952) *
18 Marden Residence (1952)
19 Lindholm Residence (1952)
20 Sander Residence (1952)
21 Riverview Terrace Restaurant (1953)
22 Penfield House (1953) (Tile Made By Homeowner?) *
23 Dobkins Residence (1953) *
24 Price, Jr. Residence (1953)
25 Llewellyn Wright House (1953)
26 Arnold Residence (1954)
27 Price Sr. Residence (1954) *
28 Beth Shalom Temple (1954) *
29 Hagan Residence (1954) *
30 Tonkens Residence (1954) *
31 Fawcett Residence (1954)
32 Greenberg Residence (1954) *
33 Loveness Residence (1955)
34 Tracy Residence (1955)
35 Lindholm Service Station (1956) *
36 Guggenheim Museum (1956) *
37 Gordon Residence (1956) (Stolen from house, We need photos before the house was moved)
38 Bott Residence (1956) *
39 Greek Annunciation Church (1956) *
40 Schultz Residence (1957)
41 Iber Residence (1957)
42 Marin County Civic Center X 2 (1957) *
43 Cass Residence (1959)
44 First Christian Church of Phoenix (1971
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Wrightgeek



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jmcnally-

Per your request, here is the most recent, most updated and most accurate (to the best of my knowledge) list of FLW red-tile displays:

Updated List as of 12/16/11

1 Baker (1909)-Tile Added In 1958
2 Taliesin III (1925) *
3 Johnson Wax Administration Building (1936)
4 Hanna Residence (1936) *
5 Taliesin West (1937) *
6 Jacobs II Residence (1944) *
7 Walter Residence (1945) *
8 M,M. Smith Residence (1946) *
9 Unitarian Meeting House (1947) *
10 V.C. Morris Gift Shop (1948) *
11 Walker Residence (1948)
12 Kenneth Laurent Residence (1949) *
13 David Wright Residence (1950) *
14 Berger Residence (1950)-Tile Not Installed But Verified By "ekb"
15 Rubin Residence (1951)-Tile Not Installed But Verified By "dtc"
16 Kinney Residence (1951)
17 Austin Residence (1951)
18 FLW Field Office (1951)*-2 Tiles Installed
19 Price Tower (1952) *
20 Marden Residence (1952)
21 Lindholm Residence (1952)
22 Sander Residence (1952)
23 Riverview Terrace Restaurant (1953)
24 Dobkins Residence (1953) *
25 Price, Jr. Residence (1953)
26 Llewellyn Wright House (1953)
27 Arnold Residence (1954)
28 Price Sr. Residence (1954) *
29 Beth Shalom Temple (1954) *
30 Hagan Residence (1954) *
31 Tonkens Residence (1954) *
32 Fawcett Residence (1954)
33 Greenberg Residence (1954) *
34 Lovness Residence (1955)
35 Tracy Residence (1955)
36 Lindholm Service Station (1956) *
37 Guggenheim Museum (1956) *
38 Gordon Residence (1956)-Tile Stolen/No Longer In Place
39 Bott Residence (1956) *
40 Greek Annunciation Church (1956) *
41 Schultz Residence (1957)
42 Iber Residence (1957)
43 Marin County Civic Center (1957)*-2 Tiles Installed
44 Lockridge Medical Clinic (1958)*
45 Cass Residence (1959)
46 First Christian Church of Phoenix (1971)
47 AAG/FLW Exhibition In San Francisco (1980)

* = In the group photo pool


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FarmerBill



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's remove Penfield from the list once and for all, since that tile is clearly not authentic. God love Mr. Penfield for making his own, but still.

Three other tiles have been discussed in this thread but seem to have fallen by the wayside:

In his post on 11/23/09 (pg. 11 of this thread), “wjsaia” indicates that there was a tile on each side of the glass entrance door of the San Francisco Field Office. Unfortunately, the accompanying photo is not a closeup, so these tiles may need additional verification.

Then there is the cracked tile displayed at the Green/Wright exhibition in San Francisco circa 1980, as indicated by “jim“ in his post on 2/6/09 (pg. 9 of this thread).

With these 3 additional tiles, we've accounted for 49 tiles associated with 46 buildings (two tiles each at Marin CCC and SF Field Office, plus the orphan tile), and we have photos of about half of them.

Hopefully we’ll figure out if the second batch of 50 tiles ever got made, and if so, where they ended up, but I think we’ve done some awfully good cybersleuthing so far.

P.S. MyLibermeisterAGG -- can you get us a photo of the Fawcett tile for hypnoraygun’s photo pool?
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Paul Ringstrom



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The AAGreen/FLWright SF Field Office is now located at the Buffalo Transportation Museum, so I asked Pat Mahoney if any FLW red tiles came with the items from the office?

He said: "Yes, we have two sandwiched on the entry door, I displayed it at the Buffalo conference in the Transportation Museum."

So there are two more for the official list.

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FarmerBill



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More excellent sleuthing, with photo confirmation of two tiles on the San Francisco Field Office door. I was wondering where that exhibit ended up after it left the Heinz Architectural Center at the Carnegie Museum in Pittsburgh. I hope it stays in Buffalo long enough for me to see it this spring when I visit Darwin Martin and Graycliff.

It looks like the FLLW signature style on those tiles is the short, angled flourish on the W, and not the long, looped flourish.

Well done, Paul!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not specifically on topic, but I want to mention that my book titled Building the Pauson House is now available at www.pomegranate.com.

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Wrightgeek



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See my post above on this page for the most recent and complete list of known FLW red-tile displays, just updated earlier today. This list incorporates all mentions and suggestions submitted after the last update early this year.
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