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peterm



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:06 am    Post subject: The campaign against degeneracy Reply with quote

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/trump-make-federal-buildings-beautiful-again-1770435

You can’t say you weren’t warned (repeatedly).
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One guess where that came from:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Miller_(political_advisor)

"The leak of the order comes just a week after David Insinga, the chief architect and director of the General Service Administration’s Design Excellence Program, which oversees the “federal built environment,” abruptly resigned his post. "

The second picture caption in the ArtNet piece is amusing. No, the SF federal building was not designed by "Thom Maybe"; the name is Thom Mayne.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AIA response:

“The AIA strongly opposes uniform style mandates for federal #architecture. Architecture should be designed for the specific communities that it serves, reflecting our rich nation’s diverse places, thought, culture, and climates. Architects are committed to honoring our past as well as reflecting our future progress, protecting the freedom of thought and expression that are essential to democracy.”

https://archpaper.com/2020/02/aia-rejects-neoclassical-exec-order/https://s2.img-b.com/build.com/mediabase/specifications/miseno/1525852/miseno-msp-6032l-specification-sheet.pdf
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt if his "base" gives a *** about architecture. I have a feeling this is something concocted by our president to stick a needle in the eye of the "liberal socialists" who are concerned about our culture and the arts.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No big deal- Just another example of anti-intellectualism, destruction of democratic norms, and a further step in the direction of fascism.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The art of the Third Reich was the government-approved art produced in Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1945. Upon becoming dictator in 1933, Adolf Hitler gave his personal artistic preference the force of law to a degree rarely known before.

In the case of Germany, the model was to be classical Greek and Roman art, seen by Hitler as an art whose exterior form embodied an inner racial ideal.[1] It was, furthermore, to be comprehensible to the average man.[2] This art was to be both heroic and romantic.[2] The Nazis viewed the culture of the Weimar period with disgust. Their response stemmed partly from conservative aesthetics and partly from their determination to use culture as propaganda.[3]
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not just architecture under attack...I'm sure this assault on our national treasures has nothing to do with Romney's vote:

These southern Utah sites were once off limits to development. Now, Trump will auction the right to drill and graze there.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2020/02/06/trump-administration-will-allow-drilling-logging-sensitive-federal-lands-utah/
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2009/02/totalitarian-architecture-of-third.html

http://www.od43.com/Klasing_Bound_1941-42.html

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-art-of-the-third-reich-war-themes-1933-1945-37012882.html

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Comes a bit late. 220 years ago, the US Capitol Building was completed in exactly the classical style (at least a bloated parody of it) that Americans to this day prefer. It - along with the White House, Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln memorials, and countless buildings in the public and private realms - is a violation of the founding principals of the Republic. But if a vote were taken nationwide, classism would win hands down over any of the modern styles (perhaps excepting Deco).

Inconsistently, the founders' definition of US culture was one of individual freedom from authoritarian rule, while the style of building - whether capitol, church or bank - which came from imperial Europe, was about central control, Hamilton over Jefferson.

People are skeptical of freedom. Most like conformity, or it wouldn't be so widespread. It is easy and comfortable to fall into the path of the majority.

As a signal that this country will not submit to the imposition of any of the "isms," the icons should all be demolished and replaced.
But that won't happen, will it? Nor will the ghost of Mussolini be resurrected by an executive order.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ghost appears already awakened---perhaps because nearly half the Senate apparently approves executive omnipotence ?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SDR, you confer upon President Trump greater powers than he has. If more than half the House had not rushed to judgment, things might have worked out differently. Now you have the chance to register your dismay by voting in President Buttigieg ... or President Sanders ... or....
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...while the other party unquestioningy supports a madman. I’d rather be on the losing side than on the side of criminality and denial.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are content to be on the losing side, so be it. Your wish will be granted. Not that it has anything to do with the inappropriateness of government buildings with Greek columns.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am content to support truth, which might put me on the losing side. That’s called democracy. You might remember it from the old days.

Mussolini’s supporters were proud to be on the winning side. So were Hitler’s.
But in the long arc of history, they were on the losing side, the wrong side. History will reveal who the real losers are in this situation. It will just take time.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trumpenfuhrer, like Adolf the Fuhrer before him, sees Classicism as a way to further his megalomaniac ideals. Both like to scapegoat modern architecture and minorities.
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