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DavidC



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:57 am    Post subject: Video: Taliesin West in the 1970's Reply with quote

Taliesin West in the 1970s - [5:57]


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SpringGreen



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:49 am    Post subject: T-West 1970s Reply with quote

1200 acres!

And the newly built Jester-Pfeiffer house.
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Roderick Grant



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spring Green, I believe most of the land at T-West is rented, not owned. Not sure where I read that, however. I recall back in the 60s that it was over 1,600 acres.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:40 pm    Post subject: Talieisn West land Reply with quote

I thought it had been sold a while ago. Perhaps I'm just thinking about something I read in the early 2000s.
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Rood



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 1:38 pm    Post subject: Re: T-West 1970s Reply with quote

SpringGreen wrote:
1200 acres! And the newly built Jester-Pfeiffer house.


Some of those acres were a "grazing" lease from the State ... for which it was necessary to house an animal or two. Some of the land to the east (bordering the Pfeiffer house) was once purchased by the Price family ... for which a development was designed by Wes in the early 60's. The development never happened, and the land was ultimately sold. It's now almost completely covered by a housing development.

After the CAP canal (bringing water from the Colorado River to Phoenix and Tucson) was routed across the access road to Taliesin West, the land south of the canal was sold by the Foundation. That land is now completely covered with houses and the access road was moved to the east, where it rises up the hillside and crosses the canal, before turning northwest, on the north side of the canal, until it rejoins the original access road to Taliesin.

Frank Lloyd Wright Boulevard is located on the south side of the canal.

When the State put up for sale part of the tall hill immediately east of Taliesin West ... the land was purchased by the Foundation to prevent the development of land in view of Taliesin West.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:26 pm    Post subject: "grazing" lease Reply with quote

Thank you, Rood. That makes a lot of sense. And that explains things about the canal you cross when getting to Taliesin West. So happy the Foundation bought the tall hill - as you know it makes a difference.

We're lucky in Wisconsin (as you know) that the estate goes to the tops of the hill across from Taliesin. The Foundation bought about 200 acres to the west of the estate to control the view, although there's always a part owned to the southeast of the estate that could be developed. It's owned by the Erdman family so they've got no impetus to sell.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should have added that the original entrance to Taliesin West is now the entrance to the housing development, which is located on the south side of the canal, off Cactus Road,which runs east and west, and dead-ends at Frank Lloyd Wright Boulevard (though the Taliesin entrance road is directly across FLLWBoulevard).

To reach Taliesin West you originally exited Shea Boulevard at 108th Street and continued one mile straight north to the Taliesin West entrance gate. When I arrived at Taliesin West in 1964 Shea Boulevard was a dirt road dead-ending at 108th Street, and Cactus Road wasn't much more than a jeep trail.

Also, the entrance road leading to the development, located directly east of the Pfeiffer House, turns northeast almost immediately after crossing the CAP canal bridge. The new gate to Taliesin West is located immediately beyond the turnoff to that development.
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Roderick Grant



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Marshall Erdman offered to give the land adjacent to Taliesin to the Foundation in 1995, shortly before he died. For whatever reason, the Taliesin crowd wasn't particularly interested in acquiring it. There must have been strings attached.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is also a development to the north of T-West. When David Dodge was planning his house, the property was still undeveloped, and available. He didn't buy it, because he didn't think it necessary to spend all that money on land that would never be developed. Oops! Now from his living room, he has a view of suburbia.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roderick Grant wrote:
There is also a development to the north of T-West. When David Dodge was planning his house, the property was still undeveloped, and available. He didn't buy it, because he didn't think it necessary to spend all that money on land that would never be developed. Oops! Now from his living room, he has a view of suburbia.


That property was owned by the Herberger family ... Can't imagine how many millions they made when it was purchased for development. So now downtown Phoenix has the Herberger Theatre. As you know, Gary Herberger was an apprentice.
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