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juankbedoya



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:05 pm    Post subject: House for Liliane and E.J Kaufmann (BOULDER HOUSE) - CA Reply with quote

Hello Wrightians, Does anybody have stories, info, and specially plans?? Does exist a floor plan of this house? I have seen only 3 renderings, nothing else. I think this is one of the most beautiful and interesting unbuilt projects. Greetings.!!!

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SDR



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's this previous thread. I don't know where the Boulder House plan was published; it isn't in Monograph 8 nor in Taschen.

http://wrightchat.savewright.org/viewtopic.php?t=2726&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60&sid=e8a08792afb62928e6d4ad43410a2dac

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GA Monograph 8, p 20:




Taschen III, p 276

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote















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Reidy



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Franklin Toker's Fallingwater Rising has information on the design. He believes, like Taschen and unlike GA, that it was for Liliane alone, after she and her husband were no longer living together. I've also seen the claim that it was for Edgar Jr.

In some thread or other here, one of the participants pointed out that the building in the background at upper right of the drawing is their Neutra house.
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SDR



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hadn't heard that they parted; I had thought that when she died (at Fallingwater ?) they were together . . .

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What does one suppose in that last drawing, the elevation, by Wright,
what does that radiused grid have to do with the elevation above?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wondered the same. Compare that elevation to the plan above; they seem to be oriented the same, so the view in the elevation is centered on the strong centerline on the plan: bedroom pod left, LR center, dining room right.

If so, we might conclude that the radial array is intended as the armature for the plan oriented (roughly) as it is on the plan drawing, to be used by the drafter to transfer true points from the plan, onto his elevation . . .

This is a rare plan version of the perspective-construction device seen at the bottom of some rendered views -- the plan drawn in planar perspective ?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deserving of a thread of its own, the built hemicycles and lenticular plans are clustered between 1945 and 1953, with a few outliers.

H = hemicycle (concave glass)
L = lenticular (flat or convex glass)

Dates are Storrer

Jacobs II - 1944-5 -- H

Meyer - 1947 -- H

Laurent - 1949 -- first built lenticular ?

Winn - 1950 -- L

Pearce - 1950 -- L

Marden - 1952 -- HL

Lewis - 1952 -- L

Cooke - 1952 -- H

LLewellyn Wright - 1953 -- L

Rayward - 1953 -- H

Spencer - 1956 -- H

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

The next step would be to locate the unbuilt designs -- and collect illustrations of them all . . .

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may be correct but I thought the view was OFF center of that line.
I'll keep looking.
What you say about how it all works seems like it should be correct
and if so then remarkable.
But how it works exactly I don't understand yet.

However that strong center line (the minor axis of the central lozenge shape) contains
the two radius points of the major intersecting circles of this project about 18 clicks apart.
One seems to be obvious, below the house,
The other is the forecourt radius point located in arc of the bushes around the pool.
The radius points for the flanking pods can be seen too.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

... so if what you say is correct then the center point of that radiused grid
would correspond to a specific point on the plan.
What point would that be?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I shouldn't have suggested that the view is taken normal to the bottom edge of the plan drawing; that seems not to be the case. But the centerpoint of the 120º grid must be the one prominently marked near the bottom of the
plan sheet. We know we're on the right side of the house -- that is, the one corresponding to the bottom of the plan -- in that elevation, because the central chimney mass is seen on the "away" side of the view -- on the other
side of the roof.

But the portion of the 120º grid that's actually used on the plan is barely 90º, so the drafter was giving himself some extra room, for some reason -- never a bad idea, in life ?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SDR, you are correct.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geiger insisted that the Boulder House was commissioned by Edgar, Jr. for himself, though he may have misrepresented that fact to FLW to ameliorate the situation.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reidy wrote:
Franklin Toker's Fallingwater Rising has information on the design. He believes, like Taschen and unlike GA, that it was for Liliane alone, after she and her husband were no longer living together. I've also seen the claim that it was for Edgar Jr.

In some thread or other here, one of the participants pointed out that the building in the background at upper right of the drawing is their Neutra house.


Thanks for the info..!!!
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