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juankbedoya



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:47 am    Post subject: Francis Little house 2 (demolished) - Minnesota Reply with quote

I have been searching Little House 2 floor plans but it seems is very difficult, I just found some pictures of a model and of course pictures of the library and hallway reconstruction. Could you share more info and drawings of this unfortunately demolished gem, please ??
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Roderick Grant



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although there are plans of the principal level of Northome published in a variety of books, I know of only one source with the lower level plan, which is in volume 3, page 204, of the Monographs. One of the best images of the plan (+ elevations) is in the first volume of the Taschen series, pp 424-5.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roderick Grant wrote:
Although there are plans of the principal level of Northome published in a variety of books, I know of only one source with the lower level plan, which is in volume 3, page 204, of the Monographs. One of the best images of the plan (+ elevations) is in the first volume of the Taschen series, pp 424-5.


thanks, but do you know any website with the main floor plan..?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can provide larger files if required; e-mail me.
















"Section Across Living Room"




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Color: © 2009 by TASCHEN GmbH and by the Frank Lloyd Wright Foundation
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juan, when perusing drawings of Little, be aware that the commission went through numerous alterations. For instance, one section of the living room fireplace (which is shown with a Roman-arched opening in Wendingen) indicates that the neighboring room is the kitchen, whereas as built, the kitchen is on the lower level. The clerestories over the living room windows show as lunettes, while as-built, they were rectangles. ...and so forth.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="SDR"]I can provide larger files if required; e-mail me.


OMG..!!! THANKS SO MUCH..!!!
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juankbedoya



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roderick Grant wrote:
Juan, when perusing drawings of Little, be aware that the commission went through numerous alterations. For instance, one section of the living room fireplace (which is shown with a Roman-arched opening in Wendingen) indicates that the neighboring room is the kitchen, whereas as built, the kitchen is on the lower level. The clerestories over the living room windows show as lunettes, while as-built, they were rectangles. ...and so forth.


THANKS FOR YOUR CLARIFICATION..!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the last section detail posted above:
What is the basic assumption as to how the interior dropped soffit
at the double I-Beams is supported?

Looking at the length of the interior elevations I have to assume
there is some small cantilevered strut that extends out from the point
where the arches meet the columns.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, no -- see that hunk of concrete on the outboard side ? That's the counterweight . . .

Or not. Heh-heh. It's Wright; gotta think bizarre.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We could both be correct about this you know.
Those double I-Beams could span column to column
My supposed strut that supports the outboard header of the soffit could be connected into that concrete.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What -- through the I-beams ?

My idea of structural continuity would be to have the top and bottom surfaces of the datum, or light shelf, or whatever we're calling it this season -- those parallel planes of beautiful, weatherproof polywood Wonderboard®, would be bonded
to everything they touch, from the inner member, to the top and bottom flanges of the steel, and the top and bottom surfaces of the concrete ballast, making of the whole thing a stiff and strong torsion box which wouldn't dare to sag or twist !

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting.
... and yes, I think the I-Beams are discontinuous at the columns,
or every other column - something lke that.
Those flanks of arches and columns are very long.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

... in any case I have linked that detail with the wrong building section.
I assumed that detail went through the long flank of arched windows on
north and south sides of living room
It does not. Title of the detail calls it out as:
"Section through windows at East end of Livingroom"
Location of this detail can be seen in the first long section posted here.
Proximity to adjacent planter confirms the correspondence.

Section thru North and South walls of Livingroom - even more complex.
It appears as if the arches are not in plane with their columns.
A "light shelf" separates columns from arches -
and arches are set inward toward interior
Columns are outboard.

Seems familiar -
Have we looked at this before?
Is this light shelf/soffit hung from steel beams in the roof?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We had some discussion about this house a while ago. It's also known as "Northome". Check out the old thread here:

http://wrightchat.savewright.org/viewtopic.php?t=11004&highlight=&sid=cda2a9d6a1caf40108806493e359b7d5
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah - built without the arches.
I thought that old thread had detailed prawings posted.
Guess I was wrong.
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