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paulbnhd



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:36 pm    Post subject: Taliesin Table Lamp Plans ? Reply with quote

I have being trying to find plans or blueprints for a Taliesin Table Lamp online. All i can find are dead links. Does anyone know of a source ? Thanks in advance, Paul
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SDR



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For all the discussion we've had here about the Taliesin table lamp . . .

http://wrightchat.savewright.org/viewtopic.php?t=7823

. . . I recall not much if any word about drawings. The lamp seems to appear out of thin air, floating on a waft of inspiration from previous examples, each a copy, more or less, of the earliest one. Where that fixture (the bulb inside is the "lamp," technically) resides, I do not know.


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Roderick Grant



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamagiwa makes/made many of the lamps certified by the Frank Lloyd Wright Foundation. The measurements for the table lamp are:
Height: 20"
From back of post to front edge of shade: 16"
Wood base of shade: 14" square
Wood top of shade: 3-3/4" square
Vertical shade: 4-3/8"
Base of lamp: 10" square
Post, base, : wider element, 2" x 3/8"; 1-3/16" x 1"
Center of hanging fixture is 9" from back of post.
Distance between the uppermost points of the oblique supports of the shade: 4-5/32"
Width of wood shade supports: 3/4"

Other than the first 3 measurements, which are listed on the elevations, all measurements are estimated and may vary slightly.
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ZacharyMatthews



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:44 am    Post subject: Welcome Paul, try this link Reply with quote

Here are plans for the Taliesin table lamp. It's one of the most popular sets out there for woodworkers.

http://www.prairiedesigns.com/cart.pl?sku=SG-1&action=detail&session_id=1qRUDJ1IB6NO7Ruk9I2cCru3
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SDR



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be interesting to compare the dimensions in the drawing set -- created by whom ? -- with those given by Roderick immediately above. I assume those were taken from an available sample fixture ?

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Roderick Grant



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since both lamps give 20" as the height, the rest of the dimensions could accurately be intuited and would probably match one another.
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SDR



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where did your carefully-observed dimensions come from, Roderick, if it's not intrusive to ask . . . ?

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Roderick Grant



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an ad from Yamagiwa that includes many FLW light fixtures with drawings with some dimensions listed. You want to make a Freeman Floor Lamp or a Dana Chandelier? I got it.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you mean the Storer lamp, or is there another lamp similar to the Storer lamp?

Storer lamp:

https://www.wright20.com/auctions/2016/11/design-masterworks/1
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SDR



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder who paid $100,000 for that lamp, two years ago. Did Barbra Streisand get into Wright, finally -- or maybe T Monaghan got rich again ?

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Roderick Grant



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter, I have a complete set of the Freeman drawings, which include the lamp. It is possible that the lamp started at Storer and migrated to Freeman, but I believe it was the other way around.

SDR, I believe Streisand unloaded her entire FLW collection long ago.
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SDR



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The surprise there being that Storer was (designed and) built before Freeman -- was it not . . . ?

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Roderick Grant



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Storer was at least designed first. I don't know if the building of either one of them has been satisfactorily determined, although Freeman took a very long time, as the clients ran out of cash along the way. To confuse the thing further, while there were interior shots of Freeman published early on showing the lamps in place, I have never come across an early interior photo of Storer to verify what sort of lighting or furniture they had.
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JimM



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SDR wrote:
Where did your carefully-observed dimensions come from, Roderick, if it's not intrusive to ask . . . ?

SDR


I can confirm the dimensions from my Yamagiwa lamp...

Apparently this company down the road from the Rosenbaum House is now making the Taliesin lamps as special orders for the foundation. Interestingly, these are 24" in height vs. the 20" Yamagiwa, which must have been marketed originally as the "Mini" Taliesin Lamp. The proportions of the "Mini" are more appropriate to my eye.

http://alamoderna.com
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Roderick Grant



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should think that extending the height 4" would transform the entire lamp into something completely different. If the 20" lamp is "Mini," the 24" lamp would be "Maxi." Apply those numbers to FLW, and you transform a man of a modest 5'8" height converted into a towering (green) hulk of 6'10".
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