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peterm



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:17 pm    Post subject: Lindal Usonians? Reply with quote

https://lindal.com/imagine/
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SDR



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Impressive, from what can be seen. Perhaps no examples have been completed yet ?

It strikes me as a bit presumptuous to cite the specific Usonians that these designs were based on -- or am I being too sensitive ? Maybe it would be dishonest not to name them ?

Well, if that's the worst sin here, we should be glad. Thanks for bringing these to our attention.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe it is salutary and honest to note the design from which the houses are derived. I also find it shrewd from a marketing perspective that the Wright houses selected for inspiration are, for the most part, publicly accessible....”you saw it here and fell in love with it, now you can have a brand new one just like it (well, kind of)”.

Lindal makes good houses. These should be well done. My only downside is this: in time, will these come to be considered Wright houses by the common person and the average Realtor?
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SDR



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm. Probably. They have a hard enough time keeping the Wright name off of non-Wright designs . . . !

And you can't really put up a sign that says "Not a Wright design" -- though one might wish otherwise ?

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Matt



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look Great. Someone should have done this ages ago. Are they prefab? Are these "licensed" from the Foundation?
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SDR



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The homes were created in partnership with the Frank Lloyd Wright Foundation and the School of Architecture at Taliesin"

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Paul Ringstrom



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DRN wrote:
will these come to be considered Wright houses by the common person and the average Realtor?


Unfortunately the average realtor has trouble distinguishing between almost all styles of architecture except the traditional vinyl clad builder box.
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SDR



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, they have guides like these to aid them. Funny that there's no "Frank Lloyd" among them . . .

https://magazine.realtor/home-and-design/guide-residential-styles

https://www.realtor.com/advice/buy/most-popular-architecture-styles/

https://www.trulia.com/blog/guide-to-most-popular-home-styles/

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Tom



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reading a book with a group of folk,
"The Transparency of Evil" by Jean Baudrillard, a recently deceased french
"post-Marxist" academic sociologist of the fashionable Foucalt line.
Anyway, I do not particularly like the book, mostly because I think he is merely describing symptoms.
Yet he considers: ".... the present state of affairs as after the orgy.
...the orgy was when modernity exploded upon us ... liberation in every sphere,
now all we do is simulate liberation"
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt wrote:
Look Great. Someone should have done this ages ago. Are they prefab? Are these "licensed" from the Foundation?


The company's Marketing Director has been posting about this over at my Writght Attitude group. Here's their press release ...

https://www.prweb.com/releases/2018/06/prweb15581991.htm

Of note ...

"The designers for the new series are Aris Georges - who taught on faculty at the School of Architecture at Taliesin for many years, and Trina Lindal, a graduate of the School."

No word on how the costs of these will compare with the other Lindal products. I suspect that the designs are just notional, and a client will be able to add or subtract more or less at will; I'll be interested to see what happens the first time a client asks for something that runs contrary to the Wrightian principles on which they claim the designs are based.

That said, here's the generic statement on the website regarding project cost:

"... (O)ur average Lindal package for U.S. clients (design, plans, and materials) is $80 – $120 per square foot. Generally speaking, your construction costs will add 1-2 times the cost of the Lindal package. These are broad estimates; your actual cost could vary greatly, depending on many factors."

Assuming the worst of those numbers, you're looking at around a little over $1M to build the largest of the seven, the Gordon-inspired 2,800-sf Silverton.

One other interesting tidbit is that the launch of the designs apparently sprung from Trina Lindal's final Taliesin Master's project.
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SDR



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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jay



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

5 designs closely based on existing Usonians, and 2 new designs... Does anyone have thoughts/critiques on the newer designs?

The selection of Gordon, Bachman-Wilson, and Penfield makes me wonder what the criteria was for choosing models to base from...? Seems like there's a commonality between those 3. At least, they all used CMU and included a second story...
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clydethecat



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I imagine Bachman-Wilson was chosen because it's been in the news. This is even reflected by the word "Crystal" in the title of the project.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can imagine certain criteria; only the designers, and the company, could verify them. Among the possibilities:


Plans that seem conducive to the so-called "requirements of modern lifestyles."

Designs that technically lend themselves to code-compliant updating, or to prefabrication or precutting, whichever is the more accurate description of what Lindal does.

Variety, of size and of features.


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DRN



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Along with marketablity of the designs themselves, I suspect that the houses chosen being,for the most part, houses the buying public can actually visit played a significant role. Petersen, Gordon, Bachman-Wilson, and Penfield are all either open for touring or available for overnight stays......Try it on for size before you buy.
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