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DavidC



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:19 pm    Post subject: Article: FLW Frat House design for U. of Florida Reply with quote

Frank Lloyd Wright Designed A Fraternity House For UF, And It Was Never Built


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drawing showing the roof in its correct position. That's a nice model -- of an impossible building !

https://www.facebook.com/UFSmathersLibraries/photos/gm.150211695765974/10156093534122704/?type=3&theater

I came across this image online, not long ago. It appears to be a Wright Auctions page. I guess this is a crop or detail of an apprentice drawing.

http://wright20.tumblr.com/post/104866737531/frank-lloyd-wright-

http://www.artnet.com/artists/frank-lloyd-wright/presentation-drawing-of-the-walter-l-fisher-BAe3lO4tUOwBwpYb18gVHw2presentation-of-the-walter-l


Nice photo of Mr Wright -- as a bonus https://www.phideltatheta.org/famous-phis/frank-lloyd-wright/

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The late Bruce Brooks Pfeiffer packed a lot of Wrightiana into four short paragraphs, in his "Treasures of Taliesin" (1985):


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kenneth Triester's little book on the three fraternity houses will answer most questions, and provides new images of the Florida project. It is handily available as a PDF from a link in the initial post of the thread.


First, the Phi Gamma Delta house, University of Wisconsin, Madison, 1925.










Then, the Walter L Fisher Memorial Chapter House, Chi of Sigma Chi, Hanover College, Hanover, Indiana. We can date this project to 1941 because it is the very last item listed in Hitchcock.

Pfeiffer's text from Monograph 5. We can count on Pfeiffer to slip in interesting information about Wright, Taliesin, or in this case some drafting technique:









Finally, the subject house, for Zeta Beta Tau fraternity, University of Florida, Gainesville, Florida, 1952.




Zeta Beta Tau 1952

Sigma Chi 1941


all images © 2009 by TASCHEN GmbH, © A.D.A EDITA Tokyo Co., Ltd., and by the Frank Lloyd Wright Foundation
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That ZBT house is a beautiful design. It's hard to imagine, however, a real life existence of the thing. Having spent 3+ years living in a fraternity house (most fun I ever had) I can't quite reconcile that cornucopia of colorful living with the practical demands of maintenance and care that a building requires, much less one that is a work of art (factor in the occasional behavior resembling Animal House and Lord of the Flies).

At Auburn University is a fraternity house (built in the early 60's, I think) that was designed by alumnus Paul Rudolph. I walked around it and was saddened by its state of disrepair, although not surprised. It had been shuttered and its members housed elsewhere. College students tend to not to have extra amounts of disposable income (since they generally have no incomes) that could be devoted to maintenance and repair, and they do have large amounts of energy & animal spirits which can bring about that need for maintenance & repair (because dirt = brown).

Kappa Sigma @ Auburn U:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/15180670@N02/1711640644

http://www.hansjoerggoeritz.com/alabama.html

Here's an interesting article that shows a fraternity house in Berkeley designed by Greene & Greene, and one at Wisconsin designed by Louis Sullivan! These would fare better (able to camoflauge the wear & tear) than Rudolph's stark white affair.

https://architizer.com/blog/inspiration/collections/frat-houses/
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And dig that whacky furniture placement in the dining room. The staggering of the tables creates quite a circuitous slalom course.



Some might be tempted to assert that the plan shows a folding window wall that would leave the dining area open to the exterior making circulation easier, but the flying insect population of Gainesville, Fla. would render that arrangement undesirable at both lunch & dinner.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the same. But the dining area is not separated from the rest of the ground level; it exists in an alcove created by the first level of dormitory rooms. On the rear elevation, visible in the digital model in Triester's documant, the three levels are revealed in more or less identical rows of window opening.

Less obvious is the missing kitchen toilet in the earlier scheme. and perhaps other little failings. We occasionally get to compare versions of the same plan, made over time. President's room, or "initiation pit" ? Chapel, or library ? The barbecue on the terrace doesn't change shape or position at all . . .

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Matt



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always liked this composition of elements and felt that in a different scale it would make a great house. It has some of Pauson and Affleck and other long horizontal designs.
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Roderick Grant



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A former Hollyhock docent, Bob Koppany, DDS., who wrote those three massive tomes on the education of FLW, wanted to build the Phi Gamma Delta Fraternity as a residence. Scaled down, one presumes.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One can only wonder at what ceremonies the "initiation pit" would have witnessed. And I can't imagine any frat I know making much use of a chapel.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An interesting fact about the Phi Gamma Delta house at Wisconsin, in SDR's post above, is that the architects they eventually went with gave them a design which was quite ordinary but which copied Wright's siting and massing.

Best photo I could find. Search on "gamma".
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most interesting, Reidy. One thing these photos make clear: the steeply sloping nature of the building site . . .






Fascinating list of Madison buildings. One wants to know more about Claude & Starck. And there's a school

building by John Flad, from 1939, that features large-radiused corners, in brick. Wonder what that refers to . . .

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote




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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That cramped site would not have offered very good views of the FLW building. It makes sense that a university fraternity would eschew a modernist design in favor of faux historicism, being as college students are, so very 'with it' and forward looking.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really like the block version.
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