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Tom



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:12 pm    Post subject: lc2 petite arm chair knock off Reply with quote

If the adiministators need to knock this post out I understand.
Not quite sure if this is acceptable use of the FLLW Forum.

No way am I gonna pay 5K for a lc2 petite arm chair - it's the principle of the thing.
But I love those chairs and want to find a decent "knock off"
Anybody out there have some knowledge about where I should begin to look?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would start by knowing the construction of the “original” in order to know how many details you might be willing to overlook:

https://www.cassina.com/en/lc-collection/authenticity/how-to-tell-original-from-copy
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had not seen this before very helpful.
None of the knock off's I've examined so far radius the bends.
they're all cut, mitered and welded.
(did you get my PM to you?)
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wondering now about the manufacturing process of the steel frame,
especially the radiused bends.
Never given this a lot of thought.
Always thought Breuer was the first with bent tube furniture which he built
while a student at the Bauhaus.
If so, now wondering how all that spread to LC, Mies etc ...

But how do you bend a tube maintaining consistent diameter through out the bend?
Cassina says it's a special welding process - not strickly a bend.
Wonder if Breuer did something like that.

Anyway - not very likely to encounter that detail in any knock off I would imagine.

But where Cassina make me skeptical is in the attempt to brand their
authenticity with name engraving and special authentification cards.
Who is that for?
I would favor a more inconspicuous distinguishing mark.

This has made me think of Cassina Wright furniture too.
Somehow Wright furniture not in a Wright house seems
like a school of fish out of water.
Whereas, say, 4 lc2 arm chairs on a Persian rug
would fit into the livingroom of a Wright house fairly well in my judgement.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a knock-off LC4 chaise in 1991-92 for about $700 from a shop in NYC called Nuovo Melodrom. Yeah, the leather isn't as "velvety", and the bungees aren't stamped Pirelli, and there is no serial number, but the welds looked good and I wanted one. At that stage of my life, I could not afford the real thing and the knock off (clearly represented by the shop as a non-licensed reproduction) filled the bill. I still like it, it has held up very well, and the "fake" chaise is just as comfortable as the "real" one.

The petit and grand confort lounges LC2 & LC3 are comfortable too...the radius of the tubing is a more visible difference between licensed and knock off than the differences in the chaise, but as peterm notes, its up to you.
Years ago, The Limited clothing stores had a chain of men's stores called Structure which had an "architecty" décor inhabitied with petit confort chairs...as I recall, they were all non-Cassina made.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A co-worker at Paramount had a pair of repo Wassily chairs to unload for a total of $125. I called Jim DeLong, and he jumped at the opportunity. They looked great, and they have radiused bends all over the place on view. I doubt a Wassily could be done convincingly without them. Of course, I don't know what the original owner paid for them. They looked great in Jim's MCM house. I think they would look good anywhere.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe just bought me a Herman Miller Eames Lounge chair/otttoman from a local commercial furniture contractor and they gave him a generous professional discount. Have you tried this route? We've gotten all our "designer' furniture this way.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom wrote:

But where Cassina make me skeptical is in the attempt to brand their
authenticity with name engraving and special authentification cards.
Who is that for?
I would favor a more inconspicuous distinguishing mark.



Come to think of it all that must br fundamentally for for resale,
change of ownership,
the protection of the buyers invested value,
the protection of Cassina's efforts.
The Cassina chair is after all high quality
.... something of an understatement.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom- I did get your pm, thanks. Check now...

My favorite Corbu furniture pieces are the ones with painted steel frames and cloth fabrics, as opposed to chrome plated and black leather. Much of his (actually Charlotte Perriand’s) earliest furniture was available this way. The early modernists like Corbu, Mart Stam and Marcel Breuer loved the simple, economical aesthetic of the mass produced bicycle.

https://pin.it/voxqzr7bxe4een

Occasionally, one sees Wright and Corbu looking at the world in a similar fashion:

https://www.wright20.com/auctions/2011/12/important-design/101?search=corbusier
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enjoying the MOD50 website.

all this makes me realize I don't know a lot about how the lc series furniture developed.
always assumed the painted steel frames were much later and by others
... for what reason I have no idea.
but painted steel and cloth would be an easier prototype certainly.
... well less expensive anyway
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://greenhomeguide.com/know-how/article/selecting-an-architect-to-design-your-green-home

Thonet produced them in multiple combinations. I prefer the brown leather to black.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found this:
https://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/seating/armchairs/le-corbusier-perriand-jeanneret-lc2-cassina/id-f_7390453/

and this - hilarious:
https://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/seating/lounge-chairs/contemporary-lc2-brass-armchair-celebrating-100-years-bauhaus-le-corbusier/id-f_13271202/
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha!

Brass and plaid/checked fabric doesn’t seem to make it, does it?

This I would love to own:

https://www.wright20.com/auctions/2003/09/modernists-20-michael-and-gabrielle-boyd/322

This color combination is sublime and cheerful in a slanted prototype from 1928. (No foam in ‘28, so the ”sloppiness” of down is revealed.) The chair is more like a frame that holds a few pillows:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7L8L7JrJC0w/Vad4-am4fLI/AAAAAAAA8rA/Vi2-E_eayMg/s1600/Fauteuil%2BGrand%2BConfort%2B1928.jpg

And note the early chaise longue prototype with its painted wood “stand”.

https://mymagicalattic.blogspot.com/2015/07/
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never seen a slanted version of the Grand Comfort
Humorous as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If... I were to add to the endless stream of Le Corbusier reproductions, I would offer the painted steel and down pillows as options. The super defined foam cushions lack the sensuousness of down, and the ubiquitous 80’s “power” look of black leather and chrome feels cold, and somewhat corporate.
Within the available knockoffs, I would opt for natural colored leather instead of black.
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