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JimM
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SkyLine Ink Taliesin

Post by JimM »

SI's Taliesin-1911 (actually more 1912!) is finally available animated. Too easy to quibble over the accuracy of the masonry and other details, just wonderful that its been done! Love the breeze wafting through the treetops and into the interiors... great job on Wright's most "unknown" masterpiece.


http://mytaliesin.com/1911studio/

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Post by Paul Ringstrom »

Skyline Ink has done some wonderful re-creations of unbuilt Bruce Goff buildings.

The FLWBC should hire them to do one unbuilt Wright building every year.
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Post by DRN »

Paul:
A very interesting idea! I might suggest given the mission of promoting the preservation, it may be more appropriate to create videos of Wright’s works lost to demolition. Husser, Harlan, Midway Gardens, Imperial Hotel, etc.

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Post by Reidy »

Another possiblity would be to show the buildings as designed but not built. Ennis would take well to such a treatment. Freeman with its circular terrace. Tomek with its walled garden.

Creation of the unbuilt designs would be either very sketchy if the makers stuck to what they could document, or very conjectural if they didn't.

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Post by Roderick Grant »

Then there is Angster, one of the most mysterious of built/demolished buildings.

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Post by Paul Ringstrom »

Preservation should include the preservation of Wright's ideas (as recorded in his unbuilt plans) as well as his buildings. That is why this idea fits into the MISSION of the FLWBC.

A representative from Skyline told me several years ago that they could digitally recreate a building for around $5K.
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Post by SDR »

I believe that both categories -- unbuilt (but complete in design), and built/demolished -- deserve attention. Thus, I would propose a 1:1 ratio of realization; one of each, in turn.

Of course, there are many more unbuilt designs that buildings no longer extant, but there would be choices to be made in any event. As some will be more interested in one category, and some the other, we can attempt to please both camps equally -- a "win-win" ?

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Post by DRN »

The FLWBC, from my reading of the organization's mission statement and actions, is focused on education about, advocacy for, and preservation of Wright's built work.
While I wholeheartedly agree faithful CGI constructions of unbuilt Wright designs (where sufficient design and spec data are present to prevent excessive conjecture) is a valuable tool to understanding Wright's work and genius, it may not necessarily be the FLWBC's place to undertake this. I would think the present holders of the Wright Archive at Columbia and MoMA might be better able to facilitate this, particularly if it involved students at Columbia and exhibitions at MoMA.

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Post by SDR »

That makes sense. The distinction between the two categories of work, and all ensuing ramifications, should be recognized at every stage.

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Post by Tom »

Great link.
Gives me for the first time a clear idea of the original complex.
Never knew the bells hung from that miniature hipped canopy.
Very cool.

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Post by SDR »

Anyway: to the short video itself. What do you think of the model, Jim ? I guess we've been looking at it for a while (can you find the previous Wright Chat thread ?), but seeing it come to life is gratifying.

I've just got the OA+D Journal double issue of earlier in the year, the one devoted to the Fuermann photos of T I, II and III. Comparison of the images is illuminating; in any event, seeing Taliesin I in all its
"primitive" glory, before the Birdwalk and the Blue Loggia, is a pleasure. There's a surprising view of the entrance porch from the east, 1:42 to 1:50 . . .

What would have been required -- in data load, time spent, etc -- for the image resolution to be photographic, do you know ? How do you like the retrographic flicker, the running scratches on the "film stock" ?

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Post by JimM »

SDR, it's obviously very well done and like I said, it's easy to quibble. But since you asked... I see the detailing both Wright and wrong. The stock look of the masonry with the Lego-like "stick outs" is an issue only because the stonework was an important component of the whole in all its ragged and random glory- and can imagine would be difficult to render accurately in its own right. The eave trim detail is not accurate, the difference easily seen in photos. B&W photos can be problematic to interpret, but two different wood tones are implied for the darker window and roof trim versus the lighter wood stylobate along the foundation. This effect appears to be taken from the Woolley construction photos, where they simply may not have yet stained the latter, or it's certainly possible Wright may never have done so. Regardless, it was all cypress and most likely Wright would have treated both trims the same. Other detailing, when compared with available evidence, is off but nothing really detracts from this welcome and excellent effort. I certainly can do no better!

If anything is unfortunate it's the decision, due to the said lack of enough evidence of colors, to justify modeling in black and white rather than color. Wright described the finishes with enough specificity for an opportunity to take it to another level. If some detailing is known to be speculative, or simply not correct, why then not go beyond what Fuermann and Woolley have given us with a full color model? If concerned about historical accuracy, the date of this model would be from 1912 to 1913, not 1911. The upper tower between the dovecots had not yet been glazed (see OAD Taliesin 1, Plate 2, upper part of tower) and the roof feature venting the kitchen and the other with the monitor over the living room probably not added until after winter 1911. I've not seen the bells as located until T2. There's more, but again, quibbling! The film stock is somewhat pointless, IMO.

Regarding the OAD publication-it's wonderful. However, I don't see why they used the plans indicated for T1 & 2. Although published by Wright at the time, they are schemes that reflected what he might hope to yet build, and for some reason chose to portray Taliesin as a more grandiose complex than it actually was...and wouldn't be until much later. Plans portraying the actual built versions would have been instructive and consistent with the associated photos.

One thing viewing this model has confirmed to me is the general accuracy of my own images (which I've updated), especially assuming they had more to work with than what I've found trying to resurrect T1 as a whole. I've also started an 1/8" model which is proving equally challenging considering my own abilities and impatience!

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Post by SDR »

Thanks for all of that, Jim, and points well taken, I'd say. I'll be able to study the materials now with something to guide the eye and the mind.

The stonework here suffers, as I think you suggest, from too much uniformity -- even if the work is copied from the photos piece for piece, at least in the
one wall I've looked at closely, so far.

Maybe you could do readers of this thread a service by reprising some views of your own, nicely colored model ? Color was as important to Mr Wright,
and is to today's followers, as any other aesthetic component, it seems to me, and today we really have no excuse to ignore that aspect any longer.

Let's make up for lost time -- and perhaps counter some latter-day photos of Taliesin that have, if anything, too much hue ?

SDR

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Post by JimM »

Ok, FWIW... best 2D with my limitations, but definitely more pleased with the masonry and plaster than original attempt...

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gmfq3moh3pfr ... O2TKa?dl=0

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Post by SDR »

Thank you, Jim. Among other things, a good look at your digital model of Taliesin I reminds us that there is more than one way to approach the job, and
thus more than one possible result. It's a pleasure, citing the most obvious difference between the two models, to see what color data adds to the effect of
this work, seen as restored to its original configuration. What a pleasure . . .

SDR

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