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Modmom1



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe the author, Kate, a recent graduate of Johns Hopkins and founder of McMansion Hell, is not only critiquing the excesses in design elements used on this monstrosity but also the fact that the owner/education secretary has pushed policies that hurt the education system in the U.S. Young people are saddled with great debt upon graduating and do not even have the ability to relieve themselves of the debt through bankruptcy, like was used many times by the education secretary's boss.
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peterm



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep.

Hiring only the best people:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/betsy-devos-education-secretary/
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Roderick Grant



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mentioned Jordan because his mega-mansion is online, and is more mega than DeVos' by 2.5 times. To insinuate that I included a political subtext of which I was unaware, hunkered as I am in my deplorable basket, is insulting, but not unexpected, considering the source. I could easily sling a few brickbats of my own, but I will just leave you to fill in the blanks. As an armchair psychologist, Peter, you fall short. Stick to what you know.

The wealth of various individuals, when it reaches the scale of DeVos, Jordan, Gates or Buffett, is always outsized. Determining whether they deserve what they have accumulated is completely subjective. Nor does it have an impact on aesthetics. Betsy may have no clue, but that's her problem. There are McMansions all over the place, each one worse than the last. Connecting what the owner does for a living to the quality of her taste in architecture is nonsense. Taking a survey of Americans on what sort of architecture they prefer, as sad as it may be, would probably place all those overblown piles far ahead of FLW.

Mod, I don't comment on the pros and cons of Betsy DeVos' work in the field of education; I've got no skin in the game, so to me, it's an abstract subject that I leave to others who are more knowledgeable to sort out. However, to suggest that US education has fallen into disrepair only since Trump took office is shortsighted. Things started to go awry in 1965 when LBJ got the federal government involved with public education in the first place. College costs have been out of control for decades, as well. Not to say that nothing should be done about it, or that what the fed is doing now is correct, but it is not a new problem, it's 53 years old and counting. Bernie and Alexandria O-C have a fix, but I doubt it would fix anything, but instead would exasperate the problem.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No skin in the game, yet LBJ is blamed. The beginning of the end (according to Mr. Grant)...

1965:

“Lyndon B. Johnson made education a top priority as he believed that education was a cure for ignorance and poverty. The Elementary and Secondary Education Act (ESEA) was passed in 1965. It was an extensive statute that funded primary and secondary education. It emphasized on equal access to education and established high standards and accountability. It also aimed to provide each child with fair and equal opportunities to achieve an exceptional education. The ESEA was the most far-reaching federal legislation affecting education ever passed by the United States Congress. Johnson’s second major education program was the Higher Education Act of 1965. It increased federal money given to universities; created scholarships; gave low-interest loans for students; and established a National Teachers Corps. Lyndon B. Johnson, more than any other president, made education a national priority.”

By 1964, only 2.5 per cent of southern schools were racially integrated. The greatest period of school integration ever in the US was between ‘65 and ‘70, the LBJ era. Perhaps Roderick has a problem with those statistics?

Btw- I have my issues with the horrors and atrocities in Vietnam under LBJ, so do not interpret this as a blanket endorsement of all of his policies.
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Modmom1



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lack of experience and a big fat donation makes one qualified, I guess. Not to mention having a sibling, Eric Prince, with skin in the game:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-counsel-obtains-trump-ally-erik-princes-phones/story?id=56143477

I know this is a Wright forum, but Prince, former head of the notorious Blackwater, is downright frightening. Trump isn't draining the swamp, he's enriching his cronies, while alienating our allies. Hoping the Republican Robert Mueller exposes the full extent of this tangled web. Prince's Seychelles meeting seems to point to more players (Saudi's, Israeli's, UAE) involved:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/israeli-saudi-and-emirati-officials-privately-pushed-for-trump-to-strike-a-grand-bargain-with-putin
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Roderick Grant



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete, I didn't "blame" LBJ, just pointed out that prior to 1965 the fed had nothing to do with public education. It was left up to the states entirely. Despite its intentions, the 1965 act certainly did not improve the quality of the school system in the long run, wouldn't you agree? Probably not, contrarian that you are. LBJ was full of good intentions, which suggest that he would have made a great governor, rather than a lousy president.

Integration (which is obviously the crux of your argument altogether) was a good thing, and I give LBJ props for his work in that area, although Hubert H. Humphrey was pushing for equal rights as far back as 1949, and without him, the '64 bill may not have been possible.

Mod, a big fat donation has made higher office possible for as long as politics has existed. There is no excuse for it, but there you have it, a matter of unavoidable fact. Rail against Betsy all you want, I won't offer any rebuttal. But I will restate my claim that none of it has anything to do with the quality of her house, and the constant harping about the Trump administration is sour grapes for Hillary getting the boot. I say bravo for that! I would rather have voted for a dead armadillo on a hot Texas highway than anyone in the Clinton clan.
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outside in



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gee, and here I thought the Orange One was going to change all that! No more lobbyists, buying positions, etc. - just like Mexico was going to pay for the wall.

Sour grapes doesn't really apply anymore - now its fear for the future of our country! Between DeVos, the EPA, Tariffs, Russians, and immigration policy (to name only a few) there is a great deal to worry about with this administration. One can only hope that other politicians see the inevitable train wreck coming and chose to distance themselves from this scourge of a president.
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Roderick Grant



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are really worried about the Russians, you should distance yourself from the Democrats, who are as close, these days, as ever to the Bolsheviks. To suggest that Donald Trump, the ultimate capitalist, is a Russian sympathizer, is ludicrous.

Also, outside, childish name-calling is not something to be proud of. That's best left for the likes of Stephen Colbert.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roderick- Only members of my immediate family and close friends call me Pete.

You wrote: “Things started to go awry in 1965 when LBJ got the federal government involved with public education in the first place.”

Now you claim you didn’t blame LBJ?

Please share with us some statistics which show that schools went awry due to the legislation of ‘65.

Are you also opposed to the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act, the Immigration abd Nationality Act (ended the favoring of Northern European immigrants receiving higher priority than non-Europeans) in addition to the Elementary and Secondary Education Act?
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outside in



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you seem to forget that
a. There is something called the Mueller investigation concerning our president and the russians.
b. Our president excels at name calling, be it rocket man, crooked hillary, little marco - in fact, he has set a new standard.

my favorite was when the Orange One called out the FBI agent as having no credibility because he had an affair! lol
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
...childish name-calling is not something to be proud of. That's best left for the likes of Stephen Colbert.


To be fair Roderick, if that is your stance on this you may want to refrain in future from referring to the current governor of California as "Governor Moon Beam".
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Roderick Grant



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really, DRN, he used the moniker himself. One thing about Brown, he has a good sense of humor. He was not insulted by it at all. Now Olga ... there I take your point. But she's irresistible.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roderick Grant wrote:
If you are really worried about the Russians, you should distance yourself from the Democrats, who are as close, these days, as ever to the Bolsheviks. To suggest that Donald Trump, the ultimate capitalist, is a Russian sympathizer, is ludicrous.

Also, outside, childish name-calling is not something to be proud of. That's best left for the likes of Stephen Colbert.


Today’s Russia is not Communist and has nothing to do with the Bolsheviks, or socialism. It’s is a totalitatian regime run by a dictator and a small group of oligarchs who answer only to him. Socialism ended decades ago.

So are you saying our current Democratic Party is closer to the Soviet Russian system or to the contemporary oligarchical dictatorship?

The second paragraph- Again, scolding others for name calling. That is strange, since I recall you doing it regularly in posts on the Trump thread. You had several variations reserved just for Hillary, not to mention her husband, and Bernie Sanders. Might that be considered hypocritical?


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outside in



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've finally found a term to define the condition of our president:

Projection is the psychological phenomenon where someone denies some aspect of their behavior or attitudes and assumes instead that others are doing or thinking so. It is usually seen as the externalisation of a person's negative traits, placing blame on an outside force such as the environment, a government, a society or other people.

I remember how quickly the term "fake news", (which was originally used to describe the Orange One's description of the size of the crowds in Washington for his inauguration??) was taken over by our President, which he now uses for the media.
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Modmom1



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I admit I live in a bubble but it's a bubble filled with folks paying attention to diverse and respected sources,

"How lawmakers, intelligence experts are reacting to Trump’s comments about Russia":

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/how-lawmakers-intelligence-experts-are-reacting-to-trumps-comments-about-russia


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