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SDR



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't believe everything you read in the comments section of any online source. The occasional calm, reasonable and seemingly well-informed
poster is outnumbered 10 to one by the screamers and dolts -- yes, on both sides of the aisle. If we read a right-leaning source, we'll find the left
complaining in the comments, and vice versa -- naturally.

As you say, its the divide that's going to be a problem for the building of any kind of useful consensus, now. And that divide has been reinforced
big-time in recent years, at election time especially, in part by the kinds of unscrupulous operators we've been talking about here, who intentionally
raise the anger and ire of their target audience. The social media platforms provide the perfect device to serve two masters, those wishing to sow
confusion among the American public, and the owners of those sites who need to deliver users to advertisers. The public loses, special interests
win.

Since it was the right's turn to fight for a return to power, it could be expected that they would scream loudest, and fight hardest to regain the
throne. For whatever reason, Russia chose to side with Trump; we have yet to learn what motivates their curious mutual dance.

We can expect the same thing to take place this year, already well underway, this time the Dems' fighting to regain lost ground. There is
apparently no reason to believe that Putin and Co will sit on the sidelines, this time . . .

SDR
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Roderick Grant



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One must never believe or pay attention to what is said in the comments section of news stories. It's the tone that matters. By reading the comments, it is possible to understand where the writer stands politically. Whether it is a reasoned response or a more typical harangue is irrelevant, it is the attitude of the writer that is revelatory.

I think it's too late for a consensus. That's an analog (for lack of a more precise term) approach to problem solving that is swiftly becoming obsolete. I don't know, anymore than anyone else, what the new age will come up with to maintain order, but the old ways are gone forever.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"For whatever reason, Russia chose to side with Trump; we have yet to learn what motivates their curious mutual dance." SDR

From the begining of the contemporary "Russia Scare" I've always thought it was a ruse.
The Democratic Party on the whole has been shameless in their historical hypocrisy fear mongering Putin and Russia purely for tactical advantage.
In '63 Jack Kennedy set the standard for our relationship with Russia in his American University speech.
The Democratic Party has betrayed that goal and purpose, hugely damaging a very precious set of values.
The clincher for me was seeing Representative John Lewis on Meet the Press stoking fear of Russia and evil Vladimir very early on, in this shameless joke, ... and without a shred of evidence.

Having said that, what Trump and Putin have in common and represent is the unmasking of contemporary "real politik."
For them and all the contemporary power elite, Democratic Values, are a low priority, if not the opiate of the masses - for them the power of a narrow elite rules.
They are both authoritarians and that is what they see in each other, a reflection of themselves.
This is what needs to be resisted in my judgement.
Trump and Putin are not the problem.
They are predictable results and products of the problem.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tom, I agree wholeheartedly with everything you have said.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let’s see if there is still agreement with you if you express any criticisms of the GOP.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:30 am    Post subject: post Reply with quote

Can we let this thread die?
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SDR



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure . . .

"This thing is bigger than the both of us."

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fine with me...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was DOA to begin with....
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