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SDR



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. It would be great to have a close-up of that woodwork; does anyone think it isn't paint ? But it makes not much difference, as this is
only the latest of many coating decisions made over the decades. Was a professional involved in the last restoration -- whenever that might
have taken place ?

So, yet another subject for a study, if not a coffee-table book: the histories of finish choices on as many Wright houses as can be managed --
or is thought to be appropriate (and possible).

Note the trio of side windows to the living room (the volumes symmetrical on the exterior, concealing an asymmetrical chimney core and
space division). The height of those windows apparently changed after the view drawing was made. Here's the as-built living room interior:


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Roderick Grant



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SDR, the only pre-Usonian house I know to be entirely of redwood is the Stewart House, which, when it first went on the market in the late 70s, early 80s, was pitch black.
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SDR



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, yes. Wright correctly identified redwood as a West Coast specie, I guess.

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Roderick Grant



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Storrer points out, the Gardener's Cottage at Willits was converted into a separate house, and is no long part of the original estate.
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peterm



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Stewart house (author T. C. Boyle's former residence) photographed in 1988. More recent photos show a medium brown paint/solid color stain with no grain showing and green painted window frames.
This is the black brown that I associate with continuously oiled redwood:



text by David Gebhard; photo 1988

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SDR



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh -- has he moved on ? I missed that.

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peterm



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bad. I thought he had sold it a few years back, but I guess not.
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Tom



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the roofing material of the Hillside complex?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

a few things:
- The owner of the Willits house purchase the stable about 8 years ago and is slowly restoring the building (as a house, not stable). It is believed that Wright was involved with the initial conversion.
- The exterior woodwork on early buildings was stained with Cabots - a stain that utilized Creosote and a few other nasty chemicals. The composition and color of the stain is not really known, except for a few old shingles, etc., but it appears to have been a semi-transparent stain that still showed the grain of the wood, unlike a solid-body stain.
- Its unfortunate that there doesn't seem to be a stain that simply preserves the silver-gray color that Wright favored.
- Redwood turns black primarily because all oils, etc. are "baked" out of the wood via UV, and it then chars to become black.
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peterm



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks John-

So maybe the charring of the oils (accidentally) partially simulates the Japanese Shou Sugi Ban method?

https://architizer.com/blog/burnt-is-the-new-black/
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably it's no coincidence, but this talk of old weathered wood darkening to black or gray reminds one of the great wooden architecture in Kyoto. I can understand FLW being forever affected upon encountering them. I remember being amazed when learning how many centuries old many of these wooden temples and shrines were. I don't know what specie of wood they used.

One of the most amazing was the ancient temple Kiyomizu Dera, (reportedly using nails). I remember being stunned at its height, and that it was built in the 1600's.

see their beautiful website:
http://www.kiyomizudera.or.jp/en/
scroll down thru this portion to see the photo of the wood structure from below:
http://www.kiyomizudera.or.jp/en/learn/

And, there's the centuries old, ever timeless Katsura Villa.
http://mymodernmet.com/yasuhiro-ishimoto-katsura-imperial-villa/
https://www.google.com/search?q=katsura+detached+palace+photos&noj=1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiX5t7SnqPVAhUBZj4KHXBWBuIQ7AkIQg&biw=1280&bih=641

...and countless other ancient wooden structures, all beautifully weathered to that black/brown hue:
https://www.google.com/search?noj=1&biw=1280&bih=641&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=kyoto+wood+temple&oq=kyoto+wood+temple&gs_l=img.3..0i10i24k1.70103.74497.0.75788.17.17.0.0.0.0.170.1959.3j13.16.0....0...1.1.64.img..1.16.1946...0j0i67k1j0i30k1j0i24k1.Q722KgxGhh0
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Tom



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow
Never heard of Kiyomizu Dera
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