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pharding



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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 7:30 am    Post subject: Chip and seal pavement Reply with quote

Does anyone here have any experience with chip and seal pavement to replace a gravel drive?
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of mine in Tennessee has a long driveway made from it. It looks great. The only thing that he mentioned is that one needs to be careful with snow plowing so as not to break away the top layer of gravel. Other than that it's a good alternative to gravel if you want something harder and less dusty.
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me having the proper gravel is critical. It should not be the light gray crushed limestonen that is common in the Midwest. I like the chip and seal because it has a softer natural look as opposed aggregate embedded in epoxy on concrete pavement.
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone supply crushed granite for such purposes ? Granites can be found in a broad range of colors.

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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some local stone in our area has beautiful coloration. Getting the right colors is important.
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am on record as finding the unkempt edges of a restored Usonian's long gravel drive less than ideal. I have softened my stance on that. One way to make such relaxed grooming less of an issue might be the twin-track, or "ribbon," driveway:

https://www.gardenista.com/posts/hardscaping-101-ribbon-driveways/

Mr Wright was not unfamiliar with this type of paved drive -- but not in the Usonian period, I believe. Here's just one early example, drawn for the Ross residence at Ravine Buffs:


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Paul Ringstrom



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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was growing up in Joliet, IL in the '50s and '60s they used chip and seal exclusively on all their residential streets and they were plowed in the winter.
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your roads in Joliet looked like this?
http://www.irvmat.com/images/CaseStudies/Chip&Seal7.jpg
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipseal
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Tennessee driveway didn't look like SDR's road, but almost exactly like this:

http://www.irvmat.com/images/CaseStudies/Chip&Seal7.jpg

It was at least ten years old..,
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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2017 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peterm wrote:
Your roads in Joliet looked like this?
http://www.irvmat.com/images/CaseStudies/Chip&Seal7.jpg
The soft, natural looking edge in the upper right top photograph is part of what we are looking for. The original driveway was gravel. Our client wants to pave the drive for reduced maintenance. Seal and chip with the right color local aggregate gives an appropriate compromise. The soft edges reinforce a more natural look.
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2017 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peterm wrote:
Your roads in Joliet looked like this?
http://www.irvmat.com/images/CaseStudies/Chip&Seal7.jpg


yes, but not dead flat. There was a crown.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't imagine that Mr. Wright would be dissatisfied with this paving. It's a permanently raked, tidy Zen driveway minus the weeds and dust. The only downside might be the cost and drainage. Real gravel allows for water to slowly percolate through.
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