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brianspencer



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:42 pm    Post subject: Ocotillo desert camp Reply with quote

I saw a question as to the names of the draftsmen who joined FLlW at Ocotillo in Chandler, Arizona 1929. Those joining FLlW in the fall of 1928 were were George Kastner (German), Vladimir Karfic (Czech), Donald Walker (Kentucky), and Cy Jahnke (Milwaukee). Those joining FLlW in 1929 were Heinrich (Henry) Klumb (German), "Cueball" Kelly (from local area) and Lloyd Wright came to the camp from Los Angeles to do the renderings.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This link should cross reference where the question of the draftsmans' names was asked:

http://savewright.org/wright_chat/viewtopic.php?t=10018&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A question then, is, what was on the boards in 1928 and 1929 ?

San Marcos-in-the-Desert Winter Resort is dated 1927; Lloyd's famous golden aerial view, 23 by 64 3/4 inches in size, bears the number 2704.048. Where was this drawing made -- in Los Angeles, where in that year his new home and studio were built ?

(Lloyd married for the second time in 1926; Eric was born in 1929.)

In Taschen II, Ocatillo Camp and Studio is give the T. number 2702 -- yet it is presented as (and dated) 1929. So, when was the camp built ? In "Lost Wright" Carla Lind tells us that a fifteen-member "band of apprentices" left Taliesin in January, 1929, headed for Arizona, and that when they got there they constructed the camp.

San Marcos Water Gardens is number 2705; the Ralph Cudney residence is 2706; the Mrs Owen Young house is 2707; the Chandler Block House, 2708. Taschen presents these as 1929 projects, as well.

1928 is very thin; the virtually unknown Camp for the Chandler Improvement Company appears at 2804; it is a variant of the Ocatillo type, canvas above wood.

1929 begins with the two house designs for Richard Lloyd Jones (2901, 2902) . Then comes the Elizabeth Noble Terrace Apartments (2903); the Rosenwald School (2904); St Marks-in-the-Bouwerie (2905); and a house for Mrs George Madison Millard (2907)

So, if Ocatillo wasn't in existence in 1928, the drafters listed above presumably worked -- at Taliesin -- on the Burial Terrace for Darwin D Martin (2801); "A Colonial Equivalent" house design (2802); the wedding announcement for Frank and Olgivanna's wedding (2803); and the Chandler Camp project (built; 2804) -- see above.

Brian, did Kastner, Karfic, Walker and Jahnke stay with Wright in 1929 ?

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Reidy



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Three Quarters of a Century of Drawings lists, in addition to these, for 1928:
Beach cottages in Egypt
R.L Jones scheme 1
1929:
Jones scheme 2
St Mark's Tower

It puts Noble in 1930.

One of these drafstmen, I believe, did the familiar hard-edge modernist drawings of Larkin, UT, Robie, etc.
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SDR



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the Beach Cottages. The others I included. And, listed for 1928 but with Taliesin project number 2703, the Hillside Home School of the Allied Arts.

"Fifty Years . . ." is old enough to contain questionable data, I suppose. I do like having the drawing dimensions which this book provides, in any event.

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Roderick Grant



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Hitchcock book (plate 276) gives 1927 for construction of Ocatilla. Other '27 projects are: San Marcos, Young, Cudney, Martin, San Marcos Water Gardens, Chandler Block House; '28: Tydol; '29: Lloyd-Jones, Noble, St. Mark's.

Since "In the Nature of Materials" was published in 1942, just 15 years later, and presumably with FLW's cooperation, these dates seem believable.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

. . . but not if you believe the later recollections, seemingly quite precise, of others who
were at Ocatillo. See Donald Walker's timeline, below (p 96).


In Tafel's "About Wright" we find two short recollections by draftsmen who worked at Ocotillo
and who were responsible, among other things, for the illustrations mentioned by Reidy.
These activities precede the creation of the Fellowship and its roster of apprentices.















1993 by Edgar A Tafel, FAIA, and by John Wiley & Sons, Inc, from "About Wright"


See also http://savewright.org/wright_chat/viewtopic.php?t=6258

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps we can trust the scholarship of Robert L Sweeney ? In "Wright in Hollywood," pp 142-145, he tells us that after Wright's initial meeting with Alexander Chandler, he wrote Chandler on March 30, 1928, to express his eagerness to work with him. "One week later, on April 6, Chandler invited Wright to proceed with drawings. As before, Wright quickly drew Lloyd into the project, writing to his son on April 19 . . ." On April 30 "he told Chandler that he was 'all ready now to make drawings,' though he was still waiting for "the plat and aeroplane views." ' "

"At the end of May Wright forwarded his layout to Lloyd . . ." and described the building and how he wanted it to appear in the large colored rendering. "Wright continued to work on the hotel project through the remainder of 1928." In May he moved from Phoenix to La Jolla (presumably to stay with Lloyd ?); he wrote to Darwin Martin that he was working "by the ocean -- with good effect -- alone." Preliminary studies were delivered to Chandler in September. Chandler replied that he wanted a complete set of plans and specifications "submitted to me by January 1st, 1929."

"The idea for the [desert] camp was renewed by Wright just before he returned to the desert in January." Chandler provided a site for the camp, just south of the hotel site, and Sweeney says "the camp was designed in a day. Wright recalled that he 'sat down in a cold, vacant office in the town to make the plans. The boys stood around, shivering, watching, handing me the tools. We set up a drawing-board on boxes. And it was cold. They said n Chandler that it was the coldest season in thirty years. But the scheme was soon ready and the next morning we started in to build.' "

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Roderick Grant



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is why I don't pay attention to dates. In the end, it really doesn't matter one way or the other.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heh. Okay . . .

The rather uninspired plan of the desert camp makes sense to me now; it looks exactly like something drawn in a very short time by someone freezing his ______ off !


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SDR and Reidy,

You can't depend on a lot of the dates as many writers are getting the dates without in-depth research. Good example is the 1928 date for the Egypt cottages. This didn't happen until Henry Klumb met the Egyptian ambassador to the Netherlands at the Stedelijk Museum during the one month exhibition arranged by H. Th. Wijdeveld. Klumb happened to be in the gallery when the ambassador and his entourage came through the exhibit. The ambassador was standing in front of the San Marcos Water Garden renderings and commented how these would work well along the Nile. Klumb engaged him in conversation and then wrote FLlW about the conversation. It never went ahead as the folks in Egypt thought it would be too expensive.

These years have misgivings in the project dates.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had misgivings once; I sent the package back by return mail. Better safe than sorry . . .

So, in what year was the one-month exhibition held ?

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Tim



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

January?
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