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Paul Ringstrom



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

News from Madison:

In other action, council members voted unanimously to accept a special committee’s report on a block containing a Frank Lloyd Wright-designed home and approved an ordinance to create a protected buffer zone at the entrances of health care facilities, including an East Side clinic that provides abortions.

Lamp House: The acceptance of the Robert M. Lamp House Committee’s report was met with praise from preservationists but scorn from the landmark home’s owner.
Last month the special committee adopted guidelines for allowing redevelopment on the Lamp House’s block, bounded by North Butler, East Mifflin and North Webster streets and East Washington Avenue. The guidelines are meant to maintain the landmark home’s views toward Lake Mendota, mitigate the impact of potential new building’s shadows and preserve some of the residences that surround the Wright-designed Lamp House.
But Bruce Bosben, who currently owns the home, told the council that while he supports preserving the house, the area, which sits just two blocks off the Capitol Square, needs to be allowed to grow taller and grow tax base.

“I think those are very serious considerations that are being overlooked in the enthusiasm for the idea of the view from this roof,” he said.

The City Council will consider adding the report’s recommendations to the Downtown Plan at its next meeting.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been in both the Edwin Cheney House and the Lamp House, and the French doors opening onto an elevated terrace in both have the same feeling. Both date to 1903 in Storrer. Didn't I read somewhere that the Wrights took the Cheneys to visit the Lamp House?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have never seen the Lamp house with the rooftop pergola intact:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Lamp_House_with_original_roof.jpg
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That image is published in "FLW and Madison: Eight Decades of Artistic and Social Interaction," 1990, on page 19 in the segment authored by John O. Holzhueter. On page 25 is a winter view from a similar stand point, showing the house as it appeared after the roof garden had been enclosed in 1913.

This is one of those books that every FLW library should have. The cover is the night view of Monona Terrace, the same drawing on Io's book, "Architecture, Man in Possesion of His Earth."
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the WBG's Carter plan most closely resembles FLW's Willitts plan not the Fireproof plan.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree.


Wright, Willits, 1902


Griffin, Carter, 1909


edit -- changed Willits date from 1901 to 1902


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The plan of Ward Willits is based upon the Davenport House which preceded it.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote




So, we can skip Willits, and say that the Griffin house is a direct descendant of Davenport.

The difference that a decade of experience in Prairie proportions and details makes, is clear ?

Or is the comparative luxury of space in the Carter house is a matter of budget ? (The scale of the two plan drawings doesn't match, as a look at the stair treads and doors makes clear.)

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It began with the "Ladies Home Journal" publication of "A Small House with 'Lots of Room in It.'"
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW -- see near bottom of page. Plan of "A Small House . . ." and discussion of origins:

http://www.savewright.org/wright_chat/viewtopic.php?p=11273


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Paul Ringstrom



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roderick Grant wrote:
It began with the "Ladies Home Journal" publication of "A Small House with 'Lots of Room in It.'"


Refresh my recollection... what was the date on this article?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul Harding doesn't include dates in his linked discussion from 2007. The first LHJ article appeared in February 1901; the house, called "A Home in a Prairie Town," has a hipped roof and a nearly symmetrical cruciform plan. "Later in 2001" (BBP, Taschen) Wright published a second prairie house design in LHJ; this one is the Willits plan, and the point according to Wright in that issue was the gabled roof, similar to the ones seen on the immediately preceding Bradley and Hickox designs. The Davenport house has a similar roof treatment; Willits has a hipped roof.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From a previous post that I made:

Conventional wisdom has it that the design of The Small House with Lots of Room in It preceded the design of the Davenport House. My theory is just the opposite that the design of the Davenport House preceded the design of The Small House with Lots of Room in It. I have copies of the drawings for two iterations of the Davenport House. Sketches on the drawings modify scheme 2 to create scheme 3, the built version. Scheme 1 has a covered terrace out front with no bay. The roof does not sweep down from the second floor roof down to the first floor roof. Each of the gable ends of the cruciform plan is symmetrical. The house is completely stucco with horizontal wood batten strips. Each of the 3 schemes shows clear development with major changes from the previous iteration. Conventional wisdom has it that the Davenport House is the built version of The Small House with Lots of Room in It. If that were true why are there 3 schemes for Davenport that show major changes and continual development? The 3 schemes show development from a cruciform plan with rather ordinary exterior articulation to the very dynamic and modern built version. Even the interior wood trim morphs into The Small House with Lots of Room in It detailing. Why go through all the time and effort to develop the 3 schemes only to arrive at a smaller version of The Small House with Lots of Room in It? I personally believe that Davenport House design preceded The Small House with Lots of Room in It. I will post images this evening that further explain my theory.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I gave up on chronology of FLW's work decades ago. There are too many dates applied to too many projects. Storrer settled some of that long ago, but too late for me.

I would say that the LHJ designs were prototypes that predicted work of the Oak Park years. "A Home in a Prairie Town," hip or gable, presaged Hickox, Henderson, Dana, A. P. Johnson, Westcott, D. D. Martin, Cheney, Sutton, Brown, Irving and a number of unbuilt projects. In 1909, the basic tripartite plan of LHJ was extended to 5 elements by the insertion of transitional spaces between dining, living and library, the cross axis moved to within 4' of the living room fireplace rather than through the center. This scheme was also used at Balch and finally Barnsdall. Such designs as Barton, Horner, etc. were variations on that theme.

The second LHJ house is represented by Bradley, Willits and Davenport, using Storrer's chronology.

When FLW got a good idea, he used the basic scheme repeatedly. Lotsa Room morphed more quickly into plans that only marginally resemble the original scheme, such as Heurtley, a compact spin on the pinwheel.

Another set of related designs goes all the way back to Winslow Carriage House of 1894. Rather than plan related, they are based on elevation, and include Rollin Furbeck, Fricke, W. E. Martin, Tomek, Robie, Booth (built) and its apotheosis, Booth, the first project. Each consists of a tower with radiating horizontal wings. The tower scheme was attached to a version of the LHJ #1 for the unbuilt Metzger Project, looking very much like the cross-species it was.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2014 8:32 am    Post subject: Lamp House roof garden Reply with quote

Lamp House roof garden enclosed as early as 1912

http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Content.aspx?dsNav=Ny:True,Ro:0,N:4294963828-4294955414&dsNavOnly=Ntk:All%7clamp%7c3%7c,Ny:True,Ro:0&dsRecordDetails=R:IM38826&dsDimensionSearch=D:lamp+house,Dxm:All,Dxp:3&dsCompoundDimensionSearch=D:lamp+house,Dxm:All,Dxp:3
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