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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:22 pm
by SDR
Yes, it's hardly necessary to decide who invented the brick (for instance) -- or where it was first used. It's what you do with something that separates the men from the boys (as it were).

Of course, everyone wants to claim a "first" -- which is how these *-ing contests begin? Bach didn't invent Baroque music, but he certainly brought it to a magnificent conclusion . . .

SDR

("Block that metaphor" . . . ?)

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:55 am
by Randolph C. Henning
Roderick - I'm curious. I see the Midway Gardens as a potential prototype for the knit block system, but where does the German Warehouse exhibit it (in the fourth floor poured-in-place concrete exterior wall ornamented aesthetic?)?

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:39 am
by jmcnally
German warehouse:

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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:45 am
by Roderick Grant
I don't think that's poured in place, but if it is, I'm wrong. I'll have to check it out.

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:13 pm
by Roderick Grant
Mono 4 refers to the decoration as "cast concrete," which could mean anything. Taschen calls it "concrete block." If it was made of block instead of poured concrete, those huge blocks must have been very heavy. I'll give a look at Margaret Scott's book on the building. She mentions the source of the design as deriving from the Mayan ruins at "Chicken Itza," but there might be some useful information, nevertheless.

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:14 pm
by SDR
"Cast concrete," absent any qualifiers, means (to me) cast-in-place. That's what I've taken the top of the A D German warehouse to be --despite this caption in "In the Nature of Materials":

"Finer than the patterned blocks of the Midway Gardens are those of this Warehouse. They face the top storey which was for cold storage." (The building is also noted here as "Never completed.") So it seems Mr Wright wanted us to see these as individually-made blocks -- whether they were in fact, or not ?

SDR

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:40 pm
by Roderick Grant
Blocks or a single pour, the design is still a prototype for the block systems to come. The end result is visually indistinguishable from block. The design is sectioned off into a rectilinear grid that looks for all the world like the textile block grids of the 20s.

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:40 pm
by SDR
Right -- with a strong hint of Mayan/Aztec imagery ?

The stacked "blocks" which create a negative-space profile seems a new direction for Mr Wright -- one not taken up again, as far as I know. Or maybe we see it in the corbeled columns and fireplace opening at the Price "Grandma house" . . . ?

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The A D German Warehouse:

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The zizg-zag motif at the bottom of this frieze (see link) as well as the diagonally-placed brackets at the corners, cement the impression that Mr Wright was at least playfully referring to a temple at Chichen Itza as he drew this masonry volume. (Those who still dismiss Vincent Scully as a pedant or "smarty-pants" may ignore the last illustration [and its implications ?]; it appears in Frank Lloyd Wright (Vincent Scully, Jr; George Braziller, Inc, New York, 1960 -- a staple of our youth, in some cases.)

SDR

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:32 pm
by dkottum
We stopped at A.D. German Warehouse for a look in 1995 with our two youngsters, and Harvey Glanzer came from around back. He opened it up and insisted on giving us a tour. He told us about the construction indicating the decorative concrete was poured in place, showing us some molds used. They were simple boards nailed together, very crude looking, but produced excellent results.

doug k

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:59 pm
by Tom
Nice discussion. The desert project for that right wing christian insurance guy owes a lot to this, particularly the inverted or tapering stacked blocks/negative space thing. Direct connection I'd say. Helps me to understand that project (both Warehouse and Christian Desert Compound)more profoundly than before. I think until now I'd always considered (or did not consider) the frieze on the German Warehouse as strange or somekind of aberration in the work.

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 12:53 am
by SDR
And I had missed the connection to the textile blocks -- so we have all profited from the discussion !


SDR

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 1:47 pm
by Roderick Grant
Re-Scully, I had never had an opinion about "smarty-pants" until he gave a lecture at a FLWBC Conference in Chicago, in the Auditorium. The sobriquet fits. More telling than his Chichen Itza connection (which has merit) is his attempt to connect FLW's Oak Park House with the Kent House by Bruce Price in Tuxedo Park.

I also stopped by German in 1995 (after a TF affair at Taliesin), but got caught in such a torrential downpour that the streets became rapids. I couldn't get the car any closer than about quarter of a block, but got a good view of the front. I feared that if I got out and tried to wade across the street, I might flow down the tributary and end up in New Orleans, such was the rain.

Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2012 3:43 pm
by SDR
It's heart-warming to see such a great block of masonry, withstanding time and tide. I think it might be even more so, in a driving rain . . . ?


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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:25 am
by Randolph C. Henning
It is unquestionably poured-in-place concrete (aka cast concrete). I did my Masters thesis on the building and have been through every square inch of it, so, please, believe me.

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:03 am
by SDR
So, the architect's caption in In the Nature of Materials (putatively authored by Hitchcock, but overseen -- and designed by -- Wright) is a least a bit misleading . . . I guess.

A notable difference between this concrete frieze and the walls of the Textile Block structures is that here, the blocks are of different sizes. That is, there are single, double, and quadruple blocks, with differing but related patterns. Of course, many a prototype is altered -- and often simplified and regularized -- as it morphs to a "production type."


SDR