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Re: Sure, we can call anything "Frank Lloyd Wright"

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:31 am
by DavidC

Re: Sure, we can call anything "Frank Lloyd Wright"

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:31 am
by Roderick Grant
From the exterior views, this looks like an interesting design that doesn't need to piggy-back on FLW. Inside, the spaces are interesting, but the finishes look like vintage Pier 1.

Re: Sure, we can call anything "Frank Lloyd Wright"

Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:22 pm
by SDR
The stair hall has some interest; otherwise, no. What could be more stultifying than a window wall composed of separate punched openings, each surrounded by its own trim ?

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Re: Sure, we can call anything "Frank Lloyd Wright"

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:58 pm
by DavidC

Re: Sure, we can call anything "Frank Lloyd Wright"

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:03 pm
by DavidC

Re: Sure, we can call anything "Frank Lloyd Wright"

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:49 am
by Roderick Grant
Is there a recording of the music that real estate ads use?
Wouldn't that be a boon for anyone trying to drive himself insane?

Re: Sure, we can call anything "Frank Lloyd Wright"

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:31 am
by outside in
I've been in the house on Asbury - well before all the "improvements". The owner at that time made the claim about Wright as well, but I believe that George Maher was responsible for the various additions and rehab in 1902.

Re: Sure, we can call anything "Frank Lloyd Wright"

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:00 pm
by DavidC

Re: Sure, we can call anything "Frank Lloyd Wright"

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:41 am
by Roderick Grant
Well worth watching. I envy people who can do woodwork of this quality. If I were to try, I would have fewer fingers.

Re: Sure, we can call anything "Frank Lloyd Wright"

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:15 pm
by SDR
Not necessarily. I didn't see him doing anything dumb, other than getting his cut-off saw stuck in its kerf practically before starting. He's got some good moves, and a lot of nice Festool and other equipment. Those vacuum work-piece clamps are nifty. The Rubio Monocoat is sold primarily as a floor finish; some like its eco characteristics. Application is labor-intensive (that's an impressive buffer he's got) and the finish brings out that wild grain nicely. I consider the top lumber unfortunate; the "live edge" fad, supposedly paying homage to Nakashima and others, can be overused; sapwood will always be sapwood.

The form of the table is pleasant, and the maker is honest in his assessment of the stability issue of his design. I like the base . . .

The speeded-up filming is mostly effective, though the triple-speed segment covering the first steps to the steel parts leaves us uninformed. It always puzzles and saddens me to see a maker rushing through any steps, like the drilling of the steel. And this guy can't free-drill straight to save his life. Still, the right amount of time was spent to show each step in the process, I'd say.

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Re: Sure, we can call anything "Frank Lloyd Wright"

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:53 pm
by DavidC
Prototyping in Cardboard - (47:24)


David

Re: Sure, we can call anything "Frank Lloyd Wright"

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:53 pm
by SDR
Looking for more images of that drafting stool. The drafting table base makes perfect sense, its triangles adapted to the task at hand (as it were). The stool: not so much ? Was it someone's afterthought (or assignment), to make something related to the table base ? What is that T-shaped construct about ? The forward-shooting leg mimics that of the table---but what keeps it from breaking off ? How is that stressed right-angle connection made, and reinforced ?

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM25671

By laminating his material, C Wagner is able to create a nice through-mortise and tenon joint---about the most that can be done with that connection. How was the more slender material of the Taliesin stool---with a much smaller area of penetration or overlap compared to length of leg---joined ?

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Re: Sure, we can call anything "Frank Lloyd Wright"

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:50 pm
by Rood
SDR wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:53 pm
Looking for more images of that drafting stool. The drafting table base makes perfect sense, its triangles adapted to the task at hand (as it were). The stool: not so much ? Was it someone's afterthought (or assignment), to make something related to the table base ? What is that T-shaped construct about ? The forward-shooting leg mimics that of the table---but what keeps it from breaking off ? How is that stressed right-angle connection made, and reinforced ?

https://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Records/Image/IM25671

By laminating his material, C Wagner is able to create a nice through-mortise and tenon joint---about the most that can be done with that connection. How was the more slender material of the Taliesin stool---with a much smaller area of penetration or overlap compared to length of leg---joined ? S
If I'm not mistaken, I have plans for the stool somewhere in my files, but where? I actually built one of those stools many years ago (57?), after John R. had me redraw the by-then well-faded drawings found in the files at Taliesin West.

About the same time John R also had Bill Mims completely redesign the draughting tables ... to house a horizontal drawing shelf resting a few inches below the actual drawing surface ... plus a cabinet at one side to house a large metal drawing equipment box ... Each apprentice then rebuilt their own draughting table, using Bill's prototype as a guide.

Re: Sure, we can call anything "Frank Lloyd Wright"

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:26 am
by SDR
Oh, thank the lord you're still around ! A whole study could be conducted, of the "work furnishings" at the Taliesins---I guess. Perhaps the study could extend backward, to Wright's earliest studio and every one that followed ?

So much to look for. When was the earliest version of the Hillside drafting table drawn, and made ? Was there something similar at Ocotillo ?

Re: Sure, we can call anything "Frank Lloyd Wright"

Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:35 am
by SDR
The structural question re the Hillside drafting stool is answered satisfactorily by this detail from a 1940 photo made by Pedro Guerrero and found on p 231 of the second Taschen volume.


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And, looking more closely at the Howe photo linked above, that vital, dark-colored triangular gusset appears to be present:

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