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do other usonian owners still have the original boilers?
The previous owner of the Sweeton house replaced the boiler in 2002 with a Buderus boiler model G215/4 with a Beckett model AFG 196,000 btu/hr oil burner. (our house is about 1500 sq ft enclosed) Buderus is highly rated in the industry for quality, reliability, and efficiency (AFUE=86.2%).
Here's a link to their website:
We are currently reviewing our options for fuel as we have a 57 year old 1000 gallon buried steel oil tank serving our boiler. The tank is insured against leaks but the cost of insurance and the cost of oil are high to say the least. We looked at biodiesel but the Buderus boiler will only accept a small percentage of bio blend, so cost and "greenness" nixed that. Propane is an option, boiler will work with it, but will require a new burner, and burial of the tank is safe; long term cost is iffy as it is so tied to oil prices/ availability. Natural gas is our favored choice, but installation costs (350' run to the highway across a commercial parking lot, and a 14' auger run of pipe beneath the bedroom wing to access the heater basement without cutting the radiant slab) are an issue. We have to do something and we intend to think long term for our finances and the best choice for the house.
How are your distribution valves and pumps? The Sweeton house seems to have steel or iron pipes and the valves are frozen (corroded) stuck from lack of movement. Apparently once the balance was set they were never touched again and stuck where they were. We haven't been though a full heating season yet, but the house seemed ok when I visited it pre-purchase in the winter, and when we occupied in late March. The pumps at Sweeton need lubrication twice a year.
Hope this helps. Again, congrats on the purchase of a great house.
our houses seem to be similar square footage, so maybe this unit would be right for us, too. do you mind me asking how much it cost? you can send me a pm if you prefer.
as for our distribution pipes and valves, the inspection which we had done told us very little, except that the unit is an antique. (maybe i could i sell it on ebay ) the seller assures us that it works fine, but i think we need a back up.
thanks for the help.
I'm not sure of the heating plant's cost as the previous owner had it installed. He kept all things financial close to his vest, and I never found out what he paid. Buderus is at the upper end of the boiler price range from what I understand, but the burner is nothing out of the ordinary. Probably best to price it through the Buderus website or a local dealer.
I worked on a ground source heat pump project at a hotel in Geneva, NY about 10 years ago, it worked great... the wells were run with the pile foundations. peterm will need to check the electrical service at the Lamberson house though. Sweeton had a 60 amp service originally which was boosted in 1985 to accomodate a clothes dryer and 3 ductless AC units. Because of the lack of wall cavities in a Usonian, or attics or raised floors for that matter, new electric or plumbing is tricky. The previous owner installed the new electrical service such that it was run underground outside all the way around the house to a surface mounted conduit on exterior of the rear bedroom wall then on down the areaway to the heater basement. (It will be less unsightly when I paint it.)
Buderus Stackable Water Heater/Boiler Combination:
This is a boiler and indirect domestic hot water tank combination. The entire boiler room is a closet with a footprint of less than 10 square feet (where there's a will, there's a way!) This system is manufactured by Buderus Hydronic Systems and includes a control package that is fully programmable and provides outdoor reset capability. Outdoor reset monitors the outdoor air temperature and adjusts the boiler water temperature accordingly. As the weather gets colder, the boiler water gets hotter (and vice versa). This allows for a fuel savings of 25 - 30 %. The control also integrates the domestic hot water production, hot water re-circulation, warm-weather shut down, night setback and vacation setback.
I couldn't find this particular unit on their website so you will have to consult a local plumber. Nearest retailer is in IL or WI.
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thanks, everyone, for your advice.
also, are there any other ways to insure that the pipes don't burst? did they always use copper? the seller mentioned that there have always been a few "dead spots" where the floor doesn't get hot. is this typical? anything to be concerned about?
I second Outside In's suggestion that you consider geothermal. It has an attractive payback and you contribute to the health of our small, precious planet. Solar panels do not offer an attractive payback at present. I suspect that this will change with the Obama Administration.
That is not true. I have studied various later FLW Usonian drawings and they state they can use iron or copper.The early houses used cast iron for the heating pipes, but by the time of Parkwyn and Galesburg, copper was being used, so I suspect your house has copper.
In the Haynes drawings it states to use 2â€� wrought iron pipes for gravity heat. In the side notes it also says copper piping may also be used. It was the ownerâ€™s choice.