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As there can be no effective means of resisting horizontal movement of the roof at the "open" end, via the glass walls alone, I assume there must be a mighty connection at the ridge, so that the angle of the roof planes remains constant. Curtis Besinger mentions this difficulty in the design of Neils (and by extension Glore and others). Are there construction photos of any of these roofs ?
"Uplift was not a concern those days, particularly in Northern climates.
"As for the Neils structure, as I remember the mullions (supporting members) are steel structural Ts, probably with rigid frame steel beams following the pitch of the roof welded to the Ts at the ceiling, making it a rigid frame taking the thrust, probably spaced at every third unit. Curtis [Besinger] used that technique at the Hagan House from what [Donald] Hoffmann says. Curtis did the working drawings for Glore as well as Grant, which was the first house to use steel Ts as mullions....
"I used rigid frame steel beams at Zimmerman following the contour of the roof to hold up the street side gable, which hangs off the ridge at the carport and the end of the living room; no support there. They were resting on brick walls in that case, and I don't remember how I anchored them; not very well, as I recall, but they were really just part of the wood roof framing which had conventional anchorage."
When John's site becomes activated, he intend to go into greater depth on such subjects.
There was certainly some sink-or-swim learning here, as the Old Man sent these young architects out to remote sites with only partially engineered structural plans. Today we might call this neglect, but they always found a way to pull it off, without disturbing the art.
Doug Kottum, Battle Lake
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/2801 ... 0791_zpid/
Didn't we mention this in another thread on Niels - the one in which I said there was International Style influence going on and RG hit the ceiling!
Wow- confirmation of the use of a rigid frame in residential buildings by Wright.
That is huge from my little corner of the world.
...and the rigid frame holds up the flitched rafters on the glass end opposite the masonry mass.
That not's going anywhere - solid.
So that's got to mean welded moment connections, ... no?
"Day -um", as my homies say.
I have never seen the bedroom wing interiors. Very interesting. This is close to perfect, from plan to elevation to landscaping to lakeside lot.
I don't know if Geiger got everything about Neils together or not, and U of M seems not to have posted his archive yet, 7 years and counting.
Are the sleeping loft spaces original? I suspect they may be later insertions owing to some of the details and the scale of the rooms that result. I also noted the perf treatment on the bath door...no other perfs in the house but for that?
Great house. It has a unique vibe.
The white paint could be softened to a cream. The kitchenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s wonderful, but IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m not sure about the baths (Zillow photos 13 and 16). Windows above the sink with mirror in front: Is that WrightÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s design?
And whatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s that ladder above the desk in #15?