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Decrying Demagoguery

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:19 pm
by peterm
Some will argue that this piece has nothing to do with Frank Lloyd Wright’s architecture. Others might respond by insisting that a democratic architecture (“organic ?”) relies on a free, informed citizenry and transparent institutions. It’s silly speculation to play the “What Would Wright say?” game, and yet if the thought doesn’t cross your mind, I’m afraid you’ve been living in a cave.

https://madison.com/ct/opinion/column/j ... 9790a.html

Re: Decrying Demagoguery

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:58 pm
by SDR
John Nichols has been with the Capital Times since 1993; a banner year for the paper as a result, I expect, and a banner year for books about Mr Wright and his work, as well. A nice coincidence, if a small one. Let us raise our glasses to Nichols, to Wright, and to "turning the corner"---sooner or later---in this our besieged nation ? Thank you, Peter.

S

Re: Decrying Demagoguery

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:23 pm
by RA
One can only pray that we do in fact make it to those crossroads.

Re: Decrying Demagoguery

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:12 am
by SDR
It's dodgy, to be sure. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. Awful lot of guns out there, these days. So much hate and distrust has been sown and grown, it's hard to know what to expect.

I pray for a giant awakening . . . in Washington, and across the land.

S

Re: Decrying Demagoguery

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:47 pm
by Roderick Grant
Identity Politics is another form of demagoguery. Perhaps more subtle than McCarthyism, but still....

Making comparisons over a 70-year span of time is dicey. In those post-war years, Communism was the bugaboo, and not in a right-left manner, but pretty much across the board. The most popular show on TV in those days was "I Led Three Lives," based on the book "I Was a Communist for the FBI" by Herb Philbrick. McCarthy had a lot of support at the beginning. There was a lot of talk about what a good president he would have made, but he was so dreadful on TV that he was "hanged by his own petard." (In a way, the same has happened to Trump.) Meanwhile, the House of Representatives' HUAC was doing exactly the same thing, but the personalities that headed it were less telegenic. I doubt anyone can name a head of HUAC back to its founding in 1918 through 1975, when it was finally disbanded.

The one aspect of all of this I find ludicrous is the fretting about the political cat fight imperiling American democracy. It has not suffered a single abrasion. Trump's spotlight is fading, and we will have a new target come January, and the friction will continue.

Re: Decrying Demagoguery

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:10 pm
by SDR
Not having myself quite absorbed the meaning of the term, I looked it up:

i·den·ti·ty pol·i·tics
noun
a tendency for people of a particular religion, race, social background, etc., to form exclusive political alliances, moving away from traditional broad-based party politics.

Certainly this is one of the hallmarks, and either a cause, an effect, or both, of the much-referred-to polarization of the public, here and perhaps abroad as well ?

It would be wonderful if Mr Trump sank from sight; there is an equally strong possibility, isn't there, that he will keep himself in the spotlight---as it is the very air he breathes---for as long as possible ? Today's news is that he is more likely than not to run again in 2024, keeping his decision from the rest of his party for as long as possible and making it difficult for another candidate to rise to prominence. Underestimating the man has already cost the country dearly, and we would be well advised not to do so again.

One of a number of current stories: https://www.inquisitr.com/6394136/donal ... can-party/

I don't intend to start another useless back-and-forth about Donald Trump, and will leave the subject alone, here.

S

Re: Decrying Demagoguery

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:35 pm
by Tim
FLW would have appreciated Trump's noninterventionist foreign policy. They had that in common.

Re: Decrying Demagoguery

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:27 am
by RA
Asking the military for tactical scenarios on bombing Iran's nuclear facilities is not exactly the work of a noninterventionist.

Re: Decrying Demagoguery

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:12 am
by Roderick Grant
What most people seem not to have noticed is that the public Donald Trump is all talk. It is purposeful, and the reason he succeeded as presidential nominee and won the election in '16. What Trump DID, he did not talk about; what Trump TALKED ABOUT, diverted attention from what he was doing. The Wall, for instance, was a diversion; he never expected to get it done, nor did he want to. The complexities of his administration will take historians a century to sort out.

Re: Decrying Demagoguery

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:41 pm
by Tim
FLW got to hang out in WI and AZ during two world wars. It is easier to practice isolationism under such conditions.

Presidents have to deal with the politics and circumstances of their time. They also have to protect their citizens from evil states and actors.

Here is a good article on isolationism: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... sm/616499/

Re: Decrying Demagoguery

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:16 pm
by Roderick Grant
Nuance is a hard sell.