Should there be a new social media closed group for Wright?

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M Pipher
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Re: Should there be a new social media closed group for Wright?

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SDR I currently have 975 of my Wright drawings on The Group by project number almost 500 projects are up at up at this point The drawings are archived as a tool for educational purposes for the sites. I will from time to time post them to the open page but I have ran into problems in that past so it's not as often.. I do plan to have over 1,100 projects up by the end of 2021 as well as the complete ASBH Model catalog almost 130 models that includes garages.

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Re: Should there be a new social media closed group for Wright?

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Michael, Are you an architect or artist by training? Or hobbyist turned professional?

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Good lord. In what form is your work covering the ASBH structures ? Too bad most of your archive is exclusive to facebook users. Is there much on Instagram ? I'd love to see samples, at least, of, say, the ASBH work . . .

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Tim What started at the age of 12 would be considered a hobby or learning exercise, manifested into working as a draftsman and designer. A graphic artist for real estate companies. I have done work in the way of gifts for the old Home & Studio Foundation for the house walk and fundraisers. Most recently the work I did for the 8 Wright World Heritage sites, that can be found in the Winter 2020 Foundation Quarterly and in the way of 2 Wright World Heritage prints that can be found at the Foundation book store and Fallingwater. One of these was donated to the FLWBC for this years silent auction.
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SDR I believe I have a handful on my Instagram account https://www.instagram.com/mpartworks92/ I really don't put much out there on Instagram. I really wasn't one social media until my niece put me on and said people should see your stuff. I was just as happy to keep everything under lock and key. Michael P

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Re: Should there be a new social media closed group for Wright?

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jmcnally wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:17 pm
I have been with The Wright Attitude from the day of its birth. I enjoy posting photos of my visits to Wright properties and seeing others' photos. Facebook facilitates this sharing of information with simple menus for posting single photos or for creating photo albums.

I have gotten more solid leads from Facebook's groups than from all other sources combined.

Michael's posts with his great artwork are missed
They are indeed missed, as is Michael himself. It's never a good thing when personal disputes lead to rash outcomes, but sometimes that's just how it goes. I believe that Michael's efforts are for the most part well-intentioned, and anything that brings his amazing archive of drawings the publicity they deserve is welcome. It's unfortunate that he chose the platform he did, in part for my own selfish belief that my efforts with the Wright Attitude are unjustly undercut by the process, and the worry that splitting an already-limited audience between multiple resources benefits no one. And as an IT professional, I know that his goals would have been better served by going the dedicated website route, one that would have allowed the creations of proper galleries for display of his works - not to mention keeping the content out of the clutches of Facebook, which as a creator would concern me greatly. For now, though, there's just one more place to check when you sweep the internet for Wright content.
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To Docent, Hollyhock House - Hollywood, CA
Humble student of the Master

I have said this before and will say it again I not only support The Wright Attitude and consider Stan & family as dear friends! The Attitude is a wonderful resource, Stan built something amazing. As with everything I do within the Wright World I support the entire Wright community. It is my hope that between our two groups we can bring great content and be a tool for those who wish to explore beyond the normal stuff that is seen out there. It is my belief we can both build upon the Wright Legacy with the right Spirit and Attitude. I will also say this The Wright Legacy Group is not a replacement to any of the open or private groups out there but an addition to the Wright community for those that want to go beyond the basic and normal. While the Group will be open to join, it is not for everyone. Here we can focus on the Art & Architecture that is the Wright Legacy. The group will be geared to research and exploration a tool for not only the Wright Public sites but also to those that are passionate about the treasures that Mr. Wright has left us. This is a closed group that can explore and dive into everything the Wright Legacy has to offer.

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Since my last post I have looked at a large collection of your drawings of Wright buildings. I think I was on Instagram---I have already lost track of where I was. It's a pleasure to see so many familiar buildings, and views, replicated as line drawings; drawings, as compared to photos (in a way comparable to piano readings of organ or harpsichord performances ?), can bring out detail that is lost in shadow or otherwise obscured in a photgraph. And the original compositions, like the view of the George Millard house, can bring new life to a familiar building. Finally, the realization of unbuilt structures---I think some of the ASBH houses fall into that category ?---makes a formerly unavailable Wright building design a reality.

On a Legacy Group page I see a collection of fireplace photos. I have long felt that such a collection should be gathered and/or created. Seeing your grouping makes me realize how I would care to see the images ordered: chronologically. While some would be bored by a trip organized thus---the differences between Prairie-period fireplaces, each of which is likely unique, nevertheless can be quite minor---the specialist would want to be able to compare them that way---and even the layman could be entertained by the steady progression of the fireplace in Wright's hands, decade after decade ?

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I’m trying to wrap my head around what would differentiate the Facebook Legacy Group from The Wright Attitude?

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SDR
Thanks the fireplaces was just something fun for the Holidays. I will be add more exterior & interior photos from the past 29 years. I will also be adding some before and after restoration photos.
The line drawings were a learning exercise while studying the projects.
Thank you for your interest.

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peterm
I would talk to a few members of both groups, I am sure they can give you insight on what would differentiate the Facebook Legacy Group from The Wright Attitude. I know there are a few that belong to both groups.

A Happy & Healthy New Year to You
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As others have observed: facebook is EVIL.
I can only hope that Congress breaks it up.
Likewise, all the other "social platforms."
I am missing much by harboring this attitude but I'm able to experience things still.

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It's a pity that there isn't an alternative run by more ethical people. However, it may have been inevitable that this is what would become of a means of instant universal communication, in a century where "freedom of speech" has become a religion of its own. It is undeniable, in any event, that the profit motive is interfering with what could be a conscientious effort to weed out malicious content.

For what it's worth, the news yesterday included mention of Parler, an addition in the past year to the ranks of social (or is it antisocial) media; apparently it's where the hard-core conspiracy people are going---think Q-Anon, et al.

As we speak certain public figures are making a dangerous mockery of freedom of speech . . .

In any event, facebook is a lifeline for many folks here and around the world, with endless special-interest groups well-served by the platform. If I were reading more futurist fiction (and non-fiction) I might have come across possible solutions to the conundrum we speak of---if any there be.

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I cannot think of any. Much of it has to do with volume, as was mentioned in a segment on "60 Minutes" last night. Newspapers had an advantage: There was a point where Letters to the Editor stopped for scrutiny, so the bad stuff could be caught. Now one goes straight to the 'net without any intermediary. So it's hopeless. Freedom of speech, the foundation of the Republic, will not last.

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Again, it’s hopeless? Freedom of speech will not last? I refuse to accept cynicism and hopelessness. We have a grandchild on the way.

There are several completely reliable fact-checking sites. If we truly want the truth we can find it. But If we prefer to prop up our own narrative by selectively cherry picking “news”, and perpetuating falsehoods and conspiracies, then it’s nobody’s fault but our own.

SDR writes: “As we speak certain public figures are making a dangerous mockery of freedom of speech . . “

I think we know to whom Stephen refers, whether we choose to admit it or not. With freedom comes responsibility. To only place the blame on social media, while we refuse to condemn authoritarianism and con artists is a “cop out”. After all, isn’t a group like our Wright Chat, itself, a form of social media?

We must exercise our freedom of speech by exposing lies and hate more vigorously than ever. We all must become whistle blowers. Truth always comes to light.

Treasons Greetings, y’all!

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