Dealing with visitors in this time of COVID

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jay
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No anger, just complete rejection of your stated "logic" and its consequences.

peterm
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Roderick- It’s sometimes important to not be gullible, repeating the lies and distortions of your leader. The Pfizer vaccine is no more Trump’s than Spiro Agnew’s. Pfizer began working with Germany on the vaccine months before Trump initiated Operation Warp Speed, probably because Trump and friends were still calling the virus a “Democratic hoax”. (Also notice his insistence on calling it the China Virus. No scientist at Pfizer or anywhere in the world is calling it that.)

“ President Donald Trump on Friday wrongly claimed full credit for Pfizer Inc.'s announcement that its COVID-19 vaccine was robustly successful, misrepresenting the extent of government support behind the company’s efforts.
A look at the claim, made during his first public remarks since his defeat by President-elect Joe Biden:

TRUMP: “As a result of Operation Warp Speed, Pfizer announced on Monday that its China virus vaccine was more than 90% effective. ...Pfizer said it wasn’t part of Warp Speed, but that turned out to be an unfortunate misrepresentation.”

THE FACTS: Pfizer notably did not accept government money to develop, test or expand manufacturing capacity under Trump’s Operation Warp Speed initiative to quickly find a vaccine and treatments for the disease sweeping the country.
In fact, Pfizer partnered with the vaccine’s original developer, Germany’s BioNTech, in March and the following month announced the first human study in Germany. The White House announced Operation Warp Speed in May.

Pfizer opted not to join Operation Warp Speed initially but is following the same general requirements for the vaccine’s development as competitors who received government research money. The company says it has risked $2 billion of its own money on vaccine development and won’t get anything from Washington unless the effort is successful.

“Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine development and manufacturing costs have been entirely self-funded,” Pfizer spokeswoman Jerica Pitts said this week. “We decided to self-fund our efforts so we could move as fast as possible.”

However, Pfizer did sign an agreement with the U.S. government in July worth $1.95 billion — if the vaccine pans out and is cleared by the FDA — to supply 100 million doses. That guarantees Pfizer a U.S. market, an important incentive.

The supply side of Operation Warp Speed also allows Pfizer logistical help, although the company will directly ship its own vaccine, while the government will control shipping of other COVID-19 vaccines. ”

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavi ... story.html

Roderick Grant
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Pfizer was offered a multimillion dollar upfront payment by Trump, but because they could afford to do the work on their own, Pfizer declined. Moderna, a much smaller enterprise, took the deal, as did other pharmaceutical companies.

peterm
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It sounds like you’re disputing this article. What is your source, please?

And which month are you talking about? Pfizer was working with Germany in March already.

Here’s a true story. Trump turned Pfizer down, and now the American public will need to wait longer, especially for the second dose:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 68013.html

Roderick Grant
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The head of Pfizer was interviewed on TV. He stated that Trump offered the financial support, and that he turned it down, because he felt that Pfizer could handle the cost on their own. Perhaps you should contact the head of Pfizer and tell him where he went wrong, and that he should read the Independent to find out what really happened?

peterm
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Please provide a source, and a timeline. It’s *very* important to know the date that this supposedly happened, since Pfizer was working on it in March with Germany.
You do remember what Trump was saying publicly in March? I sure do. And I’d he happy to share that, with unaltered video.

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