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Re: For sale: Charles and Dorothy Manson house

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:39 am
by juankbedoya
I have heard that the Manson house is the darkest usonian... is that true..? why..? orientation maybe?

Re: For sale: Charles and Dorothy Manson house

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:52 pm
by SDR
People say all kinds of things, don't they . . .

Lets's look at the orientation. One of many gifts Prof Storrer gives his readers is a north arrow for each plan.

Image

Well, the living-room glazing faces south and east---so unless they were talking about early evening daylighting, I'd say this is no worse than the average for Usonian solar exposure ? Let's look for large trees in photos of the house . . .

S

Re: For sale: Charles and Dorothy Manson house

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:57 pm
by SDR
This appears to be early afternoon in the summer. Maybe the kitchen and/or bedrooms on the south side of the house are shaded by the large conifer ?

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020 ... 24,x403,y0

Or:
http://arx.novosibdom.ru/node/2088

Perhaps the lack of westward-facing glass in the main space, and the tall trees outside, make the house darker than ones without these features ?

S

Re: For sale: Charles and Dorothy Manson house

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:15 pm
by Roderick Grant
The lot does have a lot of mature trees, with an open space only toward the SE. The long gallery from front door to living room has only north-facing clerestories that don't let in an abundance of light. Overall, the house seems to have less glass than other Usonians.

Re: For sale: Charles and Dorothy Manson house

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:10 pm
by juankbedoya
SDR wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:52 pm
People say all kinds of things, don't they . . .

Lets's look at the orientation. One of many gifts Prof Storrer gives his readers is a north arrow for each plan.


Well, the living-room glazing faces south and east---so unless they were talking about early evening daylighting, I'd say this is no worse than the average for Usonian solar exposure ? Let's look for large trees in photos of the house . . .

S
thanks for the clarification

Re: For sale: Charles and Dorothy Manson house

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:30 pm
by juankbedoya
bryannc wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:07 am
Please visit “https://davdwood.wixsite.com/manson” for detailed information and 50+ photos of the house.

The Charles and Dorothy Manson house has 4 bedrooms, 3 baths, 2462 sf on a 0.58 acre lot (an adjacent/separate 0.34 acre lot is included in the sale). Designed in 1938 and completed in 1941, the distinctive horizontal roof line descends four levels down the cascading wooded lot on Wausau's prestigious and historic East Hill neighborhood. It is situated in a park-like setting (as indicated in the street name Highland Park Blvd), surrounded by historic properties, and just a short walk to downtown Wausau. Exterior and interior walls of the house are made of red tidewater cypress in a board and batten design and local red Ringle bricks. Wright's signature perforated windows are present throughout the house. Some suggest that Manson is the first Wright Usonian house with custom perforated windows.

Within the past 6 years, the current owners have made significant endeavors to preserve and restore the house. The original pebble and tar flat roof was leaking and causing damages for decades, as in almost all flat roof buildings by Wright. Upon the approval of the local historic preservation committee, the old roof was removed and replaced with an efficient rubber roofing system (June 2020) and all damages underneath were remediated. The current owners refinished and re-stained all exterior wood, restored the exterior of the master bedroom (removing added windows and gas heater that are not part of the original design), restored the second floor bathroom, re-landscaped the property, remodeled the kitchen, restored both fireplace openings, repointed the bricks around the house, and worked on many other parts of the house. They also applied and successfully gained approval to have the house listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 2016. This house is also a Historical Landmark for the City of Wausau.

The sale price includes copies of the house/furniture blueprints, all existing furniture, all framed historic photos in the gallery, the original clothes drying rack designed to hang in the kitchen, and an adjacent/separate 0.34 acre lot to the north of the property.

Please contact David Wood at davdwood@yahoo.com for more information.
thanks for the link... this is the first time that I can see its interior..!! better than I thought..!!

Re: For sale: Charles and Dorothy Manson house

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:23 pm
by juankbedoya
SDR wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:52 pm
People say all kinds of things, don't they . . .

Lets's look at the orientation. One of many gifts Prof Storrer gives his readers is a north arrow for each plan.

Well, the living-room glazing faces south and east---so unless they were talking about early evening daylighting, I'd say this is no worse than the average for Usonian solar exposure ? Let's look for large trees in photos of the house . . .

S
by the way... I see that this house is kind of "unique" in the sense of its floor plan. I don't remember other usonian where you enter by the bedrooms wing, then the workspace through that long gallery to finally arrive to the living room... Any idea of why Wright did this..?

Re: For sale: Charles and Dorothy Manson house

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:03 pm
by SDR
The thing that amazes me is that an original perspective line drawing---much more time-consuming to execute, even over a previously constructed layout, than an elevation---would be attacked by Mr Wright in this way. Of course, if there was no copying equipment available . . . it is more understandable.

When he did this to an apprentice rendering, it could be assumed that he was unsatisfied with the work, and wished to have a better version presented---but even there, assuming that the drawing could be repaired to reflect the desired changes, why wouldn't he make his suggestions on a piece of trace laid over the drawing ? Did he really believe that his crew had so much spare time on their hands ?

The lower Manson drawing above is an outlier; the trees are neither Howe's nor recognizable as another apprentice's work. But it must be the latter. Not every drafter can make sympathetic foliage ! Not that it's unworthy; the contrast between the "empty" tree trunks and the textured and therefore darker body of the house works quite well . . .

S

Re: For sale: Charles and Dorothy Manson house

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:15 pm
by SDR
Juan---the plan layout of Manson is indeed unusual. The answer must be that the site topography dictated his solution. Mr Wright understood that the stand-alone entrance door found on any number of suburban houses in America was seldom used by the family; it was a formal, even ceremonial artifact like the "drawing room" or parlor of the previous century. The family prefers to move from the car to the kitchen or hallway, thence to the living and bedrooms, in daily use of the house.

In the case of Manson, the lot offered only one reasonable location for the driveway and carport, and this was at the uphill end of the property; the house had to descend from there. The alternative to the present plan would have been to have the kitchen at the upper end of the house, adjacent to the carport and the entrance, with a central living room and the bedrooms beyond, on the lower end of the house. The problem there is that the living room would now be even closer to the street---not desirable---and deprived of the view, which is toward the lower end of the site.

Given all of this, Mr Wright apparently chose to put the kitchen and living room at the end of a passage, as the "surprise" or "release", passing the bedrooms along the way.

Perhaps you have an alternate that would solve the problem in a different way ? Maybe there's something elsewhere in Wright's catalog that would serve as a (partial) template . . .

S

Re: For sale: Charles and Dorothy Manson house

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:20 am
by JimM
Neils is entered similarly through the bedroom wing, although a much grander composition... does "Usonian" even apply to this, or others such as Gillin?

Re: For sale: Charles and Dorothy Manson house

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:16 pm
by SDR
Wright usually managed a separate entrance to the kitchen. Both these plans have a separate walk to a kitchen door.


Image Neils

Image Manson

Re: For sale: Charles and Dorothy Manson house

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:47 pm
by Roderick Grant
Both Neils and Manson have accommodations for live-in servants. One cannot have servants using the same entrance as family, for heaven's sake!!

Re: For sale: Charles and Dorothy Manson house

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:56 pm
by SDR
Heavens no. Shouldn't there be a green baize-lined door from hall to kitchen . . .?

S

Re: For sale: Charles and Dorothy Manson house

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:26 am
by DavidC

Re: For sale: Charles and Dorothy Manson house

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:38 am
by SDR
Some new photos there: kitchen, bathroom, view of downslope end of house.

Many would look with horror at Wright's brutally frank display of material in that original kitchen; this is what separates the faithful from the faint-hearted. Go, Frank !

Interesting comparison: Manson and Neils

https://images.dwell.com/photos-6063391 ... facade.jpg

https://na.rdcpix.com/56460672/91de2627 ... 60_q80.jpg

BTW: that oddly truncated door in the Neils photo, with perforations that match ones on a chair shown in Storrer, is the access to the heater room behind the fireplace.

S