VR Tour Coming to Hollyhock House

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SREcklund
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VR Tour Coming to Hollyhock House

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We've been talking about it for a year - glad to see it might soon come to fruition ...

Virtual Reality Tour Would Increase Access to the Hollyhock House

So my question to those of you working in Wright sites, or who have visited them with such videos - who's got a particularly good example?
Docent, Hollyhock House - Hollywood, CA
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Roderick Grant
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"It [Hollyhock] now stands as the centerpiece of Barnsdall Art Park, a hilly 36-acre expanse in the heart of East Hollywood."

Oh, that Barnsdall had all 36 acres instead of only the 11 at the top!
Also, residents of the Los Feliz neighborhood hate the term "East Hollywood."

Stan, if you want to see Hollyhock properly photographed, get the BBC, Anne Baxter-narrated documentary by Murray Grigor. His photographer did a spectacular job, much better than the Burns opus. The trick is to keep the camera moving.

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Tom
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Nice - thank you.
The two tone exterior irritates me.
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Re: VR Tour Coming to Hollyhock House

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Tom, it annoys me, too. There should be a slight contrast between the stucco and the concrete hollyhock trim, but all the exterior walls should be exactly the same hue. I also have a problem with the new landscaping. The garden around the west pool is wimpy, and the forest of hollyhocks in the south courtyard is shabby.

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Re: VR Tour Coming to Hollyhock House

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... yeah, and what about Ms Barnsdalls' hanging light above the dining room table!
YUCKY

You know - I assumed the two tone exterior was something like restoration in progress.
Is this somebody's idea of a permanent improvement?!

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Re: VR Tour Coming to Hollyhock House

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That hanging light bag is indeed historic, but its ugliness should have augured against dredging it up. The intended scheme for lighting the dining room was brilliant. Even though it was never executed, it should be. An accurate tour of Hollyhock should include a running commentary on what was and was not designed by FLW, otherwise tourists will forever blame him for all the mess committed by RMS, Aline, California Art Club and the City of Los Angeles. The Darwin Martin House is an accurate record of FLW's genius; Hollyhock House is not.

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How did the restorers establish the exterior green? Did they have original samples? It might be authentic even if we don't like it.

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Roderick, is Wright's intended scheme for lighting the dining room documented and available?

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Roderick, is Wright's intended scheme for lighting the dining room documented and available somewhere?

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Re: VR Tour Coming to Hollyhock House

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Apparently not---though there is clear indication of something on the ceiling, on the published plan---an array of six rectangles, containing a total of twelve indications of lights and extending from the flat portion of the ceiling into the peaked "allée" leading into the kitchen. Note the syncopated alignment of the ceiling objects with the columns (differing from what was built ?) that line opposite walls of the space.

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Taking a hint from the single such object present today, I propose as a first stab something like this. No, I don't love it---but how else do you read that plan ? Of course, my globes might be better replaced by something more interesting.

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Re: VR Tour Coming to Hollyhock House

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The 6 long rectangles are narrow strips of wood which are barely proud of the flat, north 2/3 of the ceiling, extending out into the vaulted ceiling in a manner similar to the fixtures at Robie. Each of the 12 lights is enclosed in a square, with the globe a hemisphere, not a sphere. As the plan shows, those rectangles are terminated at the north by the existing band that encircles the ceiling. The fixtures do not engage the north wall. Where they extend into the vault, they are cantilevered. Lloyd's light moves the center of the dining table to the south, whereas the original arrangement would have located the center of the table midway between the north and south rows of lights.

In addition, narrow doors along the south wall of the dining room, leading to the space between the dining room/kitchen wall and the columns, were to have been windows matching those on the north wall, not doors. That space behind the columns was built as a passageway, which was not FLW's intention at all. The entire run of columns, an architectural expression of hollyhocks transitioning from the densely packed garden and the house, were set against a blank wall, the flat roof creating a shadow box to highlight the columns. The design of the stairway to the roof blocks the view of those dining room windows/doors, to enhance the effect.

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