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Don't you dare!

Is he ginning up the base, or playing with fire: a constitutional crisis? Nixon did this. Some of us here are old enough to remember how that worked out. It's deja vu all over again...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump ... 59750.html

Our banana republic:

https://youtu.be/lBdSoVGz608

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Yes, but if he does... Can you imagine the outrage? And, where does he go from there? Would this also constitute obstruction?

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It appears that under the constitution, the president does have broad, nearly unlimited powers. The problem becomes, as you say, the outrage which will follow. For anyone other than the president, it would be a clear cut example of obstruction of justice. I guess Mueller better work fast, and let us all know what he has found after he gets fired, assuming that the rumors are acted upon. Rob Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general has just stated that he has the authority to fire the Special Counsel and that at least at this point, he has no reason to go in that direction. Of course, Trump could order him to, and then he would have to decide whether to obey or resign.

We need to remember that Nixon was never found guilty of a crime, though several of his cohorts went to prison. He was forced to resign when the situation became unsustainable.

I guess the intention of floating all of this is to taint and discredit Mueller, his investigation and the eventual findings.

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Again, peterm, you don the robes of attorney and decree that the President is guilty of a crime. Leave the legalities of the case up to the real lawyers. You can find that as insulting as you like, but for 55 pages, you have, in essence, ridiculed and derided, not only the President, but everyone who voted for him. So if you cannot take it, don't dish it out.

If, after all this time, nothing actionable has been found, what is the point of continuing? Suspicion of a crime should be investigated by law enforcement, FBI, CIA, HS, NSA ... whichever is appropriate (not Congress). Proof of the crime with incriminating evidence should bring about indictment of the suspect by s DOJ prosecutor (not Congress). A trial should be held in the courts (not Congress). True, Congress has the authority to mount this dog and pony show, but they should not have that power; it represents a conflict of interest at the very least. The DOJ should be as independent of the Administration and Congress as the Supreme Court is.

None of that has happened. No proof of any connection between the Russian meddling and Trump has been found, in spite of the constant drumbeat. Congress is avoiding the inconvenient job they were all elected to do, which is to legislate, by keeping the focus on this non-story.

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Funny, when I share links from well respected journalists who write for reliable news sources, you criticize me in this condescending(?) manner: "Yes, Peter, we all know you can find all sorts of stories published in news sources of all sorts. So can anyone else." When I offer my viewpoint, you scorn that, implying that my opinion is basically worthless since I'm not an attorney or a judge... Oh well...


Nothing actionable? (And we're not even six months into this administration. We remember how long the Watergate investigation took):

Flynn was forced to resign one month into his job. Kushner, Sessions and Flynn have all been accused of misleading officials about their contacts with Russians. Kushner discussed a secret back channel with the Russian ambassador. Pence was in charge of the transition team that hired these people, claiming that he knew nothing about any of this. Trump has yet to release his tax returns. He has openly stated that he wants the investigation to stop after firing Preet Bahrara, ( https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump ... 00083.html ) Yates, then Comey, and now indirectly threatening Mueller, all of whom were investigating him and his campaign. If Trump and his cronies have nothing to hide, why all the lying, firing, and contagious amnesia, specifically pertaining to Russia?

I will attempt to keep informed. As I said before, if you find any of my facts incorrect, correct them with some evidence. If I'm boring and annoying, so be it, there are plenty of other threads. I will at least know that I didn't remain silent, with my head in the sand. And by the way, when I criticize Trump and his administration, that should not be interpreted as a criticism of anyone who voted for him. They all had their reasons. But those who continue to defend him, despite all the evidence showing him to be inept at the very least, I fail to understand. I remember people who continued to defend Nixon after he resigned. Some still do...

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Or, http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/report-j ... d=48045225

Given Mr Trump's widely recognized and easily verified propensity to lie, is there any sound reason to believe that lying under oath would be beneath him ?

And, isn't it abundantly clear that the party in any dispute which makes much more of leaks and leakers, than about the contents of the leaked information, is the party which has the most to lose should all the facts become known ?

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He has lied under oath multiple times before, so why should we believe it would be different this time?

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles ... hy-o-brien

His own worst enemy:

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/ ... repo/?=RSS

By tweeting about the "phony" obstruction investigation, he has confirmed that it is a fact that he is being investigated. Does he know this? Do his attorneys not mind his tweets, which consistently work to his disadvantage?

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"And, isn't it abundantly clear that the party in any dispute which makes more of leaks and leakers, than about the contents of the leaked information, is the party which has the most to lose should all the facts become know?"

As I recall, attacking the leakers and avoiding mention of the information leaked was the standard practice of the Clinton campaign. With Hillary, the leaks were all about facts, while what has been "leaked" about Trump has been rumor, innuendo and speculation based thereon, obstruction of justice being the latest "guilty before proven innocent" campaign. So much smoke, and no sign of fire.

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Does Hillary have something to do with Mueller opening an obstruction of justice investigation into President Trump? If not, I don't see the relevance, unless you feel her case should be reopened.

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It seems, peterm, that you have trouble connecting the dots. My post is quite clear.

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So, if I understand you correctly, you're agreeing with Trump when he says says the current investigation is a "witch hunt", should be dropped, and it would be better to reopen the Hillary files?

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